Author talk:John Tyrrell Baylee (1776-1848)

See Cambridge library [1] Please note that there seems to be a John Tyrrell Baylee, Sr. and John Tyrrell Baylee, Jr. -- Outlier59 (talk) 02:32, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Just adding to above note (following grouping is my own presumption):

"the Younger"

• [2] states John Tyrrell Baylee, B.A. died in London on 31-10-1859. His title was Secretary to the Society for promoting the due observance of the Lord's Day.
• [3] confirms Rev. John Tyrrell Baylee, B.A. Secretary to the Society for promoting the due observance of the Lord's Day, died at his residence, Compton Road, Islington, died 31st October, 1859.

:* [4] notes that the John Tyrrell Baylee who died in 1859 possibly is the son of John Tyrrell Baylee.

• VIAF:51531247

"the Elder"

• [5] suggests John Tyrrell Baylee was a Quaker schoolmaster and notes he was fl 1807–1824.
• [6] describes John Tyrrell Baylee as "master of the Limerick school at 45 Cecil Street." AuFCL (talk) 08:29, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Early family details are probably here[7] (not available online). John Tyrrell Baylee Sr was a schoolmaster in Limerick during the time he wrote to the Board of Longitude (existed 1802-1823). He "flourished" 1807-1824, but he had a son Rev Joseph Baylee (1808-1883), so John Tyrrell Baylee Sr was probably born before 1785. There was a cholera epidemic in Limerick in 1832; possibly he died then. It's also possible he moved to London and died there in 1859 (as in, "the elder" and "the younger" are one person). Joseph Baylee published 1852-1871. John Tyrrell Baylee "Jr" published 1849-1857.

Bit of a quandary without the Limerick Papers. Outlier59 (talk) 14:12, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

To break the quandary somewhat, a related part of the Limerick archives [8] (specifically page 33 of 40 in the big PDF) details John Tyrrell Baylee died aged "about 71" at "Lower Mallow Limerick" on "24th of the 3rd month of 1848". He was noted as "Schoolmaster not in membership." (Check entry 144 in case I have misread the handwriting.)

His obituary is included within [9] is similar but notes he was "in his 72d year." AuFCL (talk) 19:30, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

"the Elder" @AuFCL: I can't pick up that big PDF, but that obit is nice and clear. I'll bring the text in here....

"On the 24th inst. in Mallow street, in his 72d year, John Tyrrell Baylee. For more than 50 years he was known and respected in this City as an accomplished scholar, a warm friend, and sincere Christian. Few men have passed through life so untainted by the spirit of the world, or unsullied by its faults. His end was peace and joy, in the full realization of the faith and hope and love of a crucified and risen Saviour."

"In his 72d year" probably means he'd lived 71 years but not yet 72 years in March 1848, so "about 71 years" is, I think, the same, re-phrased. Figuring him to be 72 later in 1848, he'd be born in 1776.

So John the Elder lived about 1776 to March 24, 1848. His son Joseph (1808-1883) was born when John was about age 32.

Here is the register line:{{FI|file=Limerick Papers Register of Deaths page 33 of 40 record 144.png}}—however as the link to the PDF states it as "XI Register of Deaths (1812-1952)", and the first page of content states "Irish Quaker Archive/Munster/Volume 169/Limerick Monthly Meeting/Marriage Certificates/1812-1943" there is clearly a muddle going on somewhere beyond my ability to fathom. (It may be prudent to queue an {{sdelete}} request on this upload after viewing. I raise no objection.) AuFCL (talk) 01:42, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

"the Younger" If John Tyrrell (Sr) named his first son John Tyrrell (Jr), junior was probably born between 1800 and 1807, making Junior about age 52-59 when he died. Plausible.

I agree to TWO John Tyrrell Baylees, given what I've seen. I think it's best to make TWO author pages, even though we don't know exact dates, so that the TWO John Tyrrell Baylees don't get mixed up. Plus an author page for Joseph. All with discussion page links to this discussion page so that others know why the author pages were created this way. Can you do this, or do you want me to do it? Outlier59 (talk) 00:58, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Just to be a nuisance in my searches I found a third JTB, this time a tile manufacturer in England who dissolved his partnership in 1891. No sense that this one was an author though!

I support the idea of creating two author pages. Perhaps the talk page of one of them could be simply set as a redirect to the talk page of the other? AuFCL (talk) 01:42, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Three author pages. And redirect is NOT a good idea, because, in the future, there will probably be discussion about the various authors. We're just trying to establish separate individual authors here, help prevent some potential confusion we know about now. Do you want to create the author pages, or do you want me to create them? Outlier59 (talk) 02:08, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Please go ahead if you are satisfied you have enough to make a start. AuFCL (talk) 02:13, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

OK, we've got three Baylee authors listed now. Outlier59 (talk) 12:17, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

@Outlier59: If you are still around, the elder and the younger are namesakes, not father/son. The detail of the younger is on their talk page, but basically 1809-1859. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:37, 11 April 2020 (UTC)