Index talk:Carroll - Alice's Adventures in Wonderland.djvu

Chapter's headers

{{center|{{larger|'''CHAPTER III'''<br /><br />'''{{smallcaps|a caucus-race and a long tale}}'''}}}}

<div class="prose">{{dropinitial|T}}HEY were indeed a queer-looking party... 

in order to get this:

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CHAPTER III

a caucus-race and a long tale

THEY were indeed a queer-looking party...

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Do you agree?

See the page space here and the main space here.^[1] --Zyephyrus (talk) 07:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I feel that this might be a bit closer to the original formatting and relative text sizes:

{{center|{{larger|'''CHAPTER III'''}}}}

{{center|A CAUCUS-RACE AND A LONG TALE}}

<div class="prose">{{dropinitial|T}}{{larger|HEY}} were indeed a queer-looking party...</div>

What do you think? Man, I wish we could just utilise proper semantic HTML and classes so I could style all of these with CSS. It's so depressing to me knowing the heading isn't inside a heading tag, and we have to repeat so much 'code' (/so many templates).

Additionally, I feel it's incredibly important to incorporate all of the original illustrations (including drop-caps) into the text. It is, after all, what separates this edition from all the others. – Quoth (talk) 12:28, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Quoth, I do agree! Have you any suggestion about how to incorporate these illustrations? I'll make a template from the chapter's beginning you have given. --Zyephyrus (talk) 09:10, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Here is this template:

{{ac|chapter number|chapter title|initial|first word except initial}}

--Zyephyrus (talk) 15:05, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

It looks good, well done. I'm not aware of any policies concerning template creation for individual works, so should we also create a template for the headers that appear on most pages (example)? Where does one draw the line? And should the name be more specific?

Regarding the couple drop-cap illustrations, they appear to be supported by the {{dropinitial}} template, so that shouldn't be a problem. – Quoth (talk) 06:08, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

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1. The naming of this edition is about to be changed

Missing pages

I've come across some text which doesn't seem to appear where it should. A blank page appears where page 174 would usually exist, and perhaps where this text would be found, although it is a very small amount of text for an entire page:

“Then the words don’t fit you,” said the King, looking round the court with a smile. There was a dead silence.

“It’s a pun!” the King added in an offended tone, and everybody laughed, “Let the jury consider their verdict,” the King said, for about the twentieth time that day.

“No, no!” said the Queen. “Sentence first—verdict afterwards.”

“Stuff and nonsense!” said Alice loudly. “The idea of having the sentence first!”

“Hold your tongue!” said the Queen, turning purple.

“I won’t!” said Alice.

“Off with her head!” the Queen shouted at the top of her voice. Nobody moved.

I've hidden it between HTML comment tags above the text of page 175. Additionally, opposite this phantom page 174, the illustrations listing specifies a coloured plate for "The whole pack rose up in the air". What's the protocol for this— just leave them out if it isn't in the scans (and presumably book)? Mention them? – Quoth (talk) 07:53, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

It is missing in the source here too. Perhaps something wrong in the scanned book itself? I don't know if a protocol exists on ws for that. We might ask for opinions on the Scriptorium? --Zyephyrus (talk) 09:47, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

This happens every now and then, the plate either broke away from the binding or someone fancied keeping it. Ideally we want a complete scan, but a scan from the same edition should suffice. The important thing is to makes notes on the talk or index page, and the file descriptions, to avoid any confusion. Cygnis insignis (talk) 13:57, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Here is how I would tag them: the other problematic pages belong to a without text category, because they don't prevent us from having the entire and correct text: this one belongs to the problematic category because a part of the text is missing. So we have a todolist with two tasks: 1. An essential one, to find the missing page with the missing text in order to be able to validate the whole text. 2. A bonus: to include all its illustrations into the text. Do you see things like that too? --Zyephyrus (talk) 22:10, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

As someone pointed out, this illustrations in this edition is what people want. If the text is what someone wants to focus on, there is a scan of the original manuscript to Alice. In general I view illustrations as content, if it is missing the page it is 'problematic'. This is a problem with the labelling of our pages, an idea that wikisource is all about text and nothing else - this is nonsense, books contain many things beside text. Any one can decide to exclude the images and only add the text, that is not a 'problem' and used to happen a lot, but the book is incomplete. Cygnis insignis (talk) 22:35, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

We ought to have different markers: text complete, book not complete. How can we mark that? --Zyephyrus (talk) 09:42, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

FYI, I patched together the missing pages and Xover spliced them into the djvu file. Kaldari (talk) 00:42, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

black and white

Background removed, 'ink' becomes data. Colour images are trickier, but it also possible to remove background there too. Cygnis insignis (talk) 23:01, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Looks beautiful to me, even without colours! --Zyephyrus (talk) 09:45, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Hesperian's RAW Images

Hesperian's RAW images can not be used throughout a book and be considered as finished work. I have been working on another book (Panama)placing clean images where where that editor also used Hesperian's RAW images. —Maury (talk) 06:46, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Quotation mark style

This transcription suffers from inconsistent quotation mark style. It starts out with curly quotes, but later chapters have mostly straight quotes. I would like to propose that we adopt curly quotes throughout the work, as this seems most consistent with the style of the work and is already implemented in much of the transcription. Kaldari (talk) 01:21, 30 October 2020 (UTC)