"'I do not think so.'
"'Then these reap no advantage from their punishment, as it seems: moreover, I would say that they are not punished unless they are conscious of the punishment.'
"'No indeed.'
"'Therefore souls neither see God nor transmigrate into other bodies; for they would know that so they are punished, and they would be afraid to commit even the most trivial sin afterwards. But that they can perceive that God exists, and that righteousness and piety are honourable, I also quite agree with you,' said he.
"'You are right,' I replied.
Chap. v.—The soul is not in its own nature immortal.
"'Those philosophers know nothing, then, about these things; for they cannot tell what a soul is.'
"'It does not appear so.'
"'Nor ought it to be called immortal; for if it is immortal, it is plainly unbegotten.'
"'It is both unbegotten and immortal, according to some who are styled Platonists.
"'Do you say that the world is also unbegotten?'
"'Some say so. I do not, however, agree with them.'
"'You are right; for what reason has one for supposing that a body so solid, possessing resistance, composite, changeable, decaying, and renewed every day, has not arisen from some cause? But if the world is begotten, souls also are necessarily begotten; and perhaps at one time they were not in existence, for they were made on account of men and other living creatures, if you will say that they have been begotten wholly apart, and not along with their respective bodies.'
"'This seems to be correct.'
"'They are not, then, immortal?'
"'No; since the world has appeared to us to be begotten.'
"'But I do not say, indeed, that all souls die; for that were truly a piece of good fortune to the evil. What then? The souls of the pious remain in a better place, while those of the unjust and wicked are in a worse, waiting for the time of
