was the evil of paying the advances for the government from the produce of the sales of land—this would avoid a national debt being incurred. Mr. Gouger answered this by saying such a measure would be an infringement on the main principles of the plan of the association, and would much complicate the question of minimum price. Nor was such an addition to the price of land necessary while individuals of the highest respectability were willing to take bonds; such a security would be the best possible. To this Mr. Stanley made no objection.
"Mr. Stanley now enquired what plan it was proposed to pursue relative to the first expedition? Mr. Gouger replied that perhaps the commissioners would send out two ships, one of 200, and another of 100 tons; the first would discharge her cargo on some favourable point, and then proceed to Van Diemen's Land for food, while the other would survey the coast. After about four or six months, the most desirable site of the first town would be ascertained, and about that time a third vessel would arrive, filled with artisans and labourers, to form roads and to prepare houses for the reception of the body of emigrants, which would speedily afterwards follow.
"In conclusion Mr. Stanley said that there appeared to be no great difference in the views of the committee and of the Government, and that he saw no reason for refusing his assent to the measure, provided he were satisfied as to the minimum price to be demanded for land; he must, however, submit the plan with all its details to the different members of the Government for their consideration.
"After the meeting Torrens went to Lefevre privately, to learn if anything were decided about the appointments. Torrens returned dispirited. Lefevre says there is little chance for him, but there is none for Pottinger. Stanley has some one in his eye for
