South "Wales, which, according to a paper read by Governor Philip, on landing at New South Wales, were found to extend to 135^ of east longitude; but as Van Diemen's Land has been formed into a province since that time, he presumed that no difficulty would arise on that head.'
"This fact Stanley did not appear to be aware of, and said that 'of course, anything which he had said did not at all go to approve or otherwise of the locality—whether or not the site proposed was fit for the formation of a settlement was another question.'
"On the whole, Stanley appeared to admit that a charter, with such provisions as he had described, might be granted on the requisite funds being raised, and towards the end of the interview he certainly relinquished some of the difficulties with which he set out, especially as to the appointment of trustees.
Thus ended the first interview with Stanley, the above account of which has been revised by Pottinger and Rowland Hill. The fact of his having his three secretaries with him was inauspicious enough, especially that marplot, Hay. At first he appeared to be completely against the plan, and I expected him to give us a flat refusal; during the interview, however, he relaxed, and showed more inclination to see whether or not the scheme could be modelled to meet his views. It is clear to me from his manner that all he wants is patronage to places here and there; here, the sole appointment of commissioner, and there, the appointment of all the officers. This point I feel every inclination to cede to him, more especially as he has no objection to limit the annual expenditure—the limit, however, must be ascertained.
"His plan of the Church is also as free from objection as can be hoped from him.
"The chief obstacles are (1) as to the appointment of trustees, for unless the public have confidence in these the money cannot be procured, and for this
