Talk:Grimm's Household Tales

progress

The existing pages are from three sources: Hunt (1884), Edwardes/Taylor (1902), and Taylor (unknown). The first two had scans, and were used to replace the tales under their own titles with versions pages and redirects. The variants on Taylor are now being moved to Index:Grimm Goblins (1876).djvu, I can do no more to preserve the pages without a source. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 11:21, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

[publication question]

What is the date of publication for this? An 1884 publication of these texts show them to be a translation ONLY of Margaret Hunt.

See gutenberg text: http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext04/grimm10a.txt

As per Gutenberg.org:

Household Tales by brothers Grimm, translated by Margaret Hunt

These fairy tales by brothers Grimm are based on the original 1884 translation "Household Tales" of Margaret Hunt.

Noted, until its checked I'll mark it as unknown. Cygnis insignis (talk) 15:36, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Double redirects

This work has a growing list of double redirects upon every refresh of the Special Page for double redirects. Can someone please address them? George Orwell III (talk) 18:41, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Apologies for that, but there will be lots of little and large moves involved. The whole business is complicated by existing and new versions, and that I want to make sure the page history is preserved. Doing them all will be much more efficient when the titles stabilise. Is is possible to ignore them for a little while? I could give you a break from that special page while the havoc is occurring. cygnis insignis 19:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Just to clarify:

1. Raven (Grimm) (edit) →‎ The Raven (Grimm) →‎ Grimm's Fairy Tales/The Raven

The Raven (Grimm) is already ambiguous, it will become a version page and every permutation of that title will redirect to that. cygnis insignis 19:56, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Of course it can, and should be in light of your explaination, ignored.

As long as folks working on these pages are aware of the unfinished moves there is no problem with that list growing on my end at all. Can't speak for anybody else though. I may have touched a few last week - just restore/edit as you see fit (sorry about that but there was no 'work-in progress' tag or anything to go by hint, hint). George Orwell III (talk) 22:30, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

sorting

A list of tales:

	Versions	Original
1	The Frog-King, or Iron Henry	Der Froschkönig oder der eiserne Heinrich
2	Cat and Mouse in Partnership	Katze und Maus in Gesellschaft
3	Our Lady's Child	Marienkind
4	The Story of the Youth Who Went Forth to Learn What Fear Was	Gut Kegel- und Kartenspiel / Märchen von einem, der auszog das Fürchten zu lernen
5	The Wolf and the Seven Young Kids	Der Wolf und die sieben jungen Geißlein
6	Faithful John
7	The Good Bargain
8	The Strange Musician
9	The Twelve Brothers
10	The Pack of Ragamuffins
11	Little Brother and Little Sister
12	Rapunzel
13	The Three Little Men in the Forest
14	The Three Spinning Women
15	Hänsel and Grethel
16	The Three Snake-Leaves
17	The White Snake
18	Straw, Coal, and Bean
19	The Fisherman and His Wife
20	The Brave Little Tailor
21	Cinderella
22	The Riddle
23	The Mouse, the Bird, and the Sausage
24	Mother Holle
25	The Seven Ravens
26	Little Red-Cap
27	The Bremen Town Musicians
28	The Singing Bone
29	The Devil with the Three Golden Hairs
30	Little Louse and Little Flea
31	The Girl without Hands
32	Clever Hans
33	The Three Languages
34	Clever Elsie
35	The Tailor in Heaven
36	The Wishing-table, the Gold-ass, and the Cudgel in the Sack
37	Thumbling
38	The Wedding of Mrs. Fox
39	The Elves
40	The Robber Bridegroom
41	Herr Korbes
42	The Godfather
43	Frau Trude
44	Godfather Death
45	Thumbling as Journeyman [Thumbling's Travels]
46	Fitcher's Bird [Fowler's Fowl]
47	The Juniper-Tree
48	Old Sultan
49	The Six Swans
50	Little Briar-Rose
51	Foundling-Bird
52	King Thrushbeard
53	Little Snow-White
54	The Knapsack, the Hat, and the Horn
55	Rumpelstiltskin
56	Sweetheart Roland
57	The Golden Bird
58	The Dog and the Sparrow
59	Frederick and Catherine
60	The Two Brothers
61	The Little Peasant
62	The Queen Bee
63	The Three Feathers
64	The Golden Goose
65	Allerleirauh [All-Kinds-Of-Fur]
66	The Hare's Bride
67	The Twelve Huntsmen
68	The Thief and His Master
69	Jorinda and Joringel
70	The Three Children of Fortune
71	How Six Men Got On in the World
72	The Wolf and the Man
73	The Wolf and the Fox
74	The Fox and His Cousin
75	The Fox and the Cat
76	The Pink
77	Clever Grethel
78	The Old Man and His Grandson
79	The Water-Nix
80	The Death of the Little Hen
81	Brother Lustig
82	Gambling Hansel
83	Hans in Luck
84	Hans Married
85	The Gold-Children
86	The Fox and the Geese (End of volume 1)
87	The Poor Man and the Rich Man
88	The Singing, Springing Lark
89	The Goose-Girl
90	The Young Giant
91	The Gnome
92	The King of the Golden Mountain
93	The Raven
94	The Peasant's Clever Daughter
95	Old Hildebrand
96	The Three Little Birds
97	The Water of Life
98	Dr. Know-All
99	The Spirit in the Bottle
100	The Devil's Sooty Brother
101	Bearskin
102	The Willow-Wren and the Bear
103	Sweet Porridge
104	Wise Folks
105	Stories about Snakes
106	The Poor Miller's Boy and the Cat
107	The Two Travellers
108	Hans the Hedgehog
109	The Shroud
110	The Jew among Thorns
111	The Skilful Huntsman
112	The Flail from Heaven
113	The Two Kings' Children
114	The Cunning Little Tailor
115	The Bright Sun Brings It to Light
116	The Blue Light
117	The Wilful Child
118	The Three Army Surgeons
119	The Seven Swabians
120	The Three Apprentices
121	The King's Son Who Feared Nothing
122	Donkey Cabbages
123	The Old Woman in the Wood
124	The Three Brothers
125	The Devil and His Grandmother
126	Ferdinand the Faithful
127	The Iron Stove
128	The Lazy Spinner
129	The Four Skilful Brothers
130	One-Eye, Two-Eyes, and Three-Eyes
131	Fair Katrinelje and Pif Paf Poltrie
132	The Fox and the Horse
133	The Shoes that Were Danced to Pieces
134	The Six Servants
135	The White Bride and the Black One
136	Iron John
137	The Three Black Princesses
138	Knoist and His Three Sons
139	The Maid of Brakel
140	Domestic Servants
141	The Lambkin and the Little Fish
142	Simeli Mountain
143	Going A-Travelling
144	The Donkey
145	The Ungrateful Son
146	The Turnip
147	The Old Man Made Young Again
148	The Lord's Animals and the Devil's
149	The Beam
150	The Old Beggar-Woman
151	The Three Sluggards
151*	The Twelve Idle Servants
152	The Shepherd Boy
153	The Star-Money
154	The Stolen Farthings
155	Brides on their Trial
156	Odds and Ends
157	The Sparrow and His Four Children
158	The Story of Schlauraffen Land [The Tale of Cockaigne]
159	The Ditmarsh Tale of Wonders
160	A Riddling Tale
161	Snow-White and Rose-Red (Hunt)
162	The Wise Servant
163	The Glass Coffin
164	Lazy Harry
165	The Griffin
166	Strong Hans
167	The Peasant in Heaven
168	Lean Lisa
169	The Hut in the Forest
170	Sharing Joy and Sorrow
171	The Willow-Wren
172	The Sole [The Flounder]
173	The Bittern and Hoopoe
174	The Owl
175	The Moon
176	The Duration of Life
177	Death's Messengers
178	Master Pfriem
179	The Goose-Girl at the Well
180	Eve's Various Children
181	The Nixie of the Mill-Pond
182	The Little Folks' Presents
183	The Giant and the Tailor
184	The Nail
185	The Poor Boy in the Grave
186	The True Sweetheart [The True Bride]
187	The Hare and the Hedgehog
188	The Spindle, the Shuttle, and the Needle
189	The Peasant and the Devil
190	The Crumbs on the Table
191	The Sea-Hare
192	The Master Thief
193	The Drummer
194	The Ear of Corn
195	The Grave Mound
196	Old Rinkrank
197	The Crystal Ball
198	Maid Maleen
199	The Boot of Buffalo Leather
200	The Golden Key

1. Children's Legends
   1. Legend 1: St. Joseph in the Forest
   2. Legend 2: The Twelve Apostles
   3. Legend 3: The Rose
   4. Legend 4: Poverty and Humility Lead to Heaven
   5. Legend 5: God's Food
   6. Legend 6: The Three Green Twigs
   7. Legend 7: Our Lady's Little Glass
   8. Legend 8: The Aged Mother
   9. Legend 9: The Heavenly Wedding
   10. Legend 10: The Hazel Branch

another list that did not accord with the contents of this volume:

Fairy Tales

• The Golden Bird
• Hans in Luck
• Jorinda and Jorindel
• The Travelling Musicians
• Old Sultan
• The Straw, the Coal, and the Bean
• Briar Rose
• The Dog and the Sparrow
• The Twelve Dancing Princesses
• The Fisherman and His Wife
• The Frog-prince
• The Adventures of Chanticleer and Partlet
• Rapunzel
• Fundevogel
• The Valiant Little Tailor
• Hänsel and Gretel
• The Mouse, the Bird, and the Sausage
• Mother Holle
• Little Red-Cap (Little Red Riding Hood)
• The Robber Bridegroom
• Tom Thumb
• Rumpelstiltskin
• Clever Grethel
• The Old Man and His Grandson
• The Little Peasant
• Frederick and Catherine
• Sweetheart Roland
• Snowdrop
• The Pink
• Clever Elsie
• The Miser in the Bush
• Ashputtel
• The White Snake
• The Wolf and the Seven Little Kids
• The Queen Bee
• The Elves and the Shoemaker
• The Juniper-Tree
• The Turnip
• Clever Hans
• The Three Languages
• The Fox and the Cat
• The Four Clever Brothers
• Lily and the Lion
• The Fox and the Horse
• The Blue Light
• The Raven
• The Golden Goose
• The Water of Life
• The Twelve Huntsmen
• The King of the Golden Mountain
• Doctor Knowall
• The Seven Ravens
• The Wedding of Mrs Fox
• The Salad
• The Story of the Youth Who Went Forth to Learn What Fear Was
• Iron Hans
• The Old Man Made Young Again