Translation:Talmud/Seder Nashim/Tractate Nedarim/2b
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[edit]- All the alternate forms of vows are like vows – Why does the Tanna only mention all of them in the tractate of Nedarim and not in that of Nazir?
- Since oaths and vows are written next to each other in the Torah, he mentions these two; and since he mentioned these two, he already mentions them all.
- Then he should have mentioned the alternate forms of oaths right after those of vows!
- While mentioning vows, whereby the prohibition from him is placed on the object, he also mentioned haramim, whereby the prohibition from him is placed on the object; wheras with oaths, one places a prohibition on himself from the object.
- The Tanna opens with alternate forms, "All alternate forms of voes," but proceeds to detail "handles": "If one says to his fellow: I am avowed from you"! Furthermore, he forgot to mention handles (before giving examples of them)!
- He did mention them; the Mishna is laconic, and this is how it should be read: "All alternate forms of vows are like vows, and 'handles' of vows are like vows."
- Then he should have given examples of alternate forms first (before handles)!
- That which he parts with (in his brief mentioning), that he details first, as we learned in the Mishna: "With what may one light (Shabbat candles) and with what may one not light? One may not light" etc.[1] "In what may one store (food to keep warm on Shabbat) and in what may one not store? One may not store" etc.[2] "With what may a woman go out (to public domain on Shabbat) and with what may she not go out? A woman may not go out" (et cetera).[3]
- Does the Tanna never detail first what he mentioned briefly first? However, we have learned in the Mishna: "Some both inherit and bequeath; (some) inherit but not bequeath; and these both inherit and bequeath."[4] "Some are allowed for their husbands but forbidden for their levirs; allowed for their levirs but forbidden for their husbands; and these are allowed for their husbands but forbidden for their levirs."[5] "Some (types of meal-offering) require both oil and frankincense; (some require) oil but not frankincense; and theese require both oil and frankincense."[6] "Some require touching (the vessel with the meal-offering to the Altar) but not waving; (some require) waving but not touching; and these require touching but not waving."[7] "There is a case of a firstborn for inheritance but not for priesthood; a case of a firstborn for priesthood but not for inheritance. Which case is a firstborn for inheritance but not for priesthood?"[8]
- In these cases, since there are many examples, he first details what he started with.
- However, "With what may a domesticated beast go out and with what may it not go out",[9] which does not have many examples, yet the Tanna continues with "A camel may go out"?
References
[edit]- ↑ Mishnah/Seder Moed/Tractate Shabbat/Chapter 2/1
- ↑ Mishnah/Seder Moed/Tractate Shabbat/Chapter 4/1
- ↑ Mishnah/Seder Moed/Tractate Shabbat/Chapter 6/1
- ↑ Mishnah/Seder Nezikin/Tractate Bava Batra/Chapter 8/1
- ↑ Mishnah/Seder Nashim/Tractate Yevamot/Chapter 9/1
- ↑ Mishna/Seder Kodashim/Tractate Menachot/Chapter 5/3
- ↑ Mishna/Seder Kodashim/Tractate Menachot/Chapter 5/5
- ↑ Mishna/Seder Kodashim/Tractate Bechorot/Chapter 8/1
- ↑ Mishnah/Seder Moed/Tractate Shabbat/Chapter 5/1