User talk:Atomicsteve
Add topicWelcome
Hello, and welcome to Wikisource! Thank you for joining the project. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:
Please consider putting a brief description of yourself on your user page. If you are already a contributor to another Wikimedia project, such as Wikipedia, please mention this on your user page so we know how to contact you. Also, mention which languages you understand if English is not your first language.
In any case, I hope you enjoy donating your time to grow the Wikisource library that is free for everyone to use! In discussions, please "sign" your comments using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your IP address (or username if you're logged in) and the date. If you need help, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question here (click edit) and place {{helpme}} before your question.
Again, welcome! John Vandenberg (chat) 16:39, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Images
[edit]These images are great! Have you really checked the copyright renewal records for the appropriate years?
The comic book entered into Wikisource has been checked and no renewal of copyright was made. The images are in the public domain.
We do not typically upload images to Wikisource, as almost any image that is acceptable on Wikisource is also acceptable to Wikimedia Commons. See our Image guidelines.
Since this is a sourcework, I thought it made more sense to upload the images here, and link them to the page for the book.
We can move these images across to Commons, but it involves a little bit of double handling, so it is preferrable if you stop uploading for the moment, and discuss this.
Do you have an account on Wikimedia Commons? John Vandenberg (chat) 16:39, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Images Uploaded
[edit]The images I uploaded were, I thought, the only way to present public domain comic work, and didn't seem to fit any other wiki. I did check to ensure that the source was public domain, hence the: PD-US-No renewal.
If there's a better way to do this or a better place to do this, I would certainly be interested in finding it, however, I see this as a way of not only including comics, but children's books and other word/text combinations as well.
You can check out the page at America's Best Comics 21.
Thank you as well for your kind welcome and help.
Steve atomicsteve 17:28, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, you have found the right wiki to present & catalogue these unique sources, however we upload the published images involved onto our sister project Wikimedia Commons. They host our images. This is not a big deal; a lot of new users upload images here. More on that later.
- The images on America's Best Comics 21 need to be scaled down, the syntax for that is:
[[Image:AmericasBestComics2148.jpg|300px]]
- which looks like:
- Or, you can use a gallery:
-
Desc. of Americas BestComics 2148 -
Desc. of Americas BestComics 2147
- Also, it would be great if you can spend a bit of time recording details about each issue; who were the contributors, when was each issue published, etc.
- Typically, we break down large series into "subpages". Like this:
- See also the works in Category:Magazines. They will be presented in different ways; we are not strict about layout.
- Feel free to experiment with this, in order to find the best way to present the material to the reader.
- John Vandenberg (chat) 18:11, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
- This is really nice works so far! John Vandenberg (chat) 01:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Public Domain Comic Book Project
[edit]This is a a great idea. The best advice I can give is .. to .. JUST DO IT! and keep doing it. And coerce others to do it too. :-)
I doubt that any of people in the Wikisource community have even considered using Wikisource for comics, and the issues of how to present a work like that, so you're braking new ground here.
The only problem that comes to mind is that copyright renewals for magazines require a lot more research than those for books. As a result, it would be wise to, where possible, create Wikipedia articles for any comic series that is added to Wikisource. Or, if the comic series is not "notable" enough for Wikipedia, copious information about the series can be supplied here first, before the images are uploaded onto Commons, so everyone knows that copyright renewals have been properly researched. We need to know who was the owner of the franchise, and the names of the contributors, prior to the images being uploaded, so that other contributors can "double check" the renewal records.
Also, you should read up on DJVU files, which are like PDFs except that they are more appropriate for scanned data, with an OCR layer on top. I think the main benefit will be that DJVU files allow each comic issue to be packaged into a single file. The Wikisource software has good support for DJVU files. For example, Image:Jane Eyre.djvu is broken down into a per-page transcription project at Index:Jane Eyre.djvu. While the "transcription" part of that facility is not going to be so useful for comics, the per-page view will be handy. John Vandenberg (chat) 05:31, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
linking to WP
[edit]Hi, Atomicsteve,
I think your project of adding Golden Age comic books is amazing! Incidentally, have you checked out GoldenAgeComics.co.uk? They have a number of PD comics.
I was wondering, though, if when you link to Wikipedia, instead of using the "external" form of linking (i.e., with URLs in one bracket) to use the "internal" form instead (using two brackets). A link of this form would be "[[w:PAGENAME]]" where PAGENAME is the page on Wikipedia you want to link to. This way we can keep the pages as simple as possible. Thanks!—Zhaladshar [[User talk:Zhaladshar|(Talk)]] 22:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Weird Tales
[edit]Hi, any chance you can put your hands on an original copy of The Call of Cthulhu, which appeared in Weird Tales, Feb 1928? If so, it would be great to have page scans of it in order to ensure our edition is true to the original, as there are a few minor differences in various editions. John Vandenberg (chat) 02:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
"Index"
[edit]I noticed on Image:Jo-Jo1101.jpg that you have experimented with linking the images together.
There is another facility, "Index" pages, which you may want to make use of in your experimentation: e.g. Index:Jo-Jo/11. These index pages are used to group a series of pagescans together, such as Index:Publick Occurrences - you can browse more here: Category:Index.
The main benefit of these "Index" pages is that each page automatically has "next/previous/up" links on them.
On Index:Jo-Jo/11, you will see the first two pages are pink, while the others are not. Those two pages have been created by me, as transcriptions of the text on the page - a bit more thought would need to be put into how to annotate the text so that it could be understood without the images (i.e. by a blind person) and in many cases the textual edition will be missing some key elements, in much the same way as reading Othello isnt the same as seeing the original performance.
Even pages which havent been described are still functional - e.g. Page:Jo-Jo1103.jpg displays the image on the right, and has a next button.
If a reader comes to that page via a normal link, it will look like this. The text on the left hand side ("Wikisource does not have a page with this exact name"...) can be changed in order to be less annoying. It should say something like "This page hasnt been transcribed yet. Click the edit button to start transcribing...".
John Vandenberg (chat) 09:57, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Deleted images
[edit]Hi, some of your comic book images were deleted from the Commons (see, for example, The_Black_Terror/24 where the first page is missing) for violating copyrights. This may be a mistake as the other images are {{PD-US-no-renewal}} and I'll try to clear that up. It would be helpful, however, if you, as the uploader, could enter the discussion.--GrafZahl (talk) 08:09, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- Hi again, it was only one image, Image:BlackTerror2401.jpg, which commons:User:Siebrand has kindly undeleted.--GrafZahl (talk) 08:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Images on Commons
[edit]Courtesy note I am proposing speedy deletion of several images that you've uploaded here which have since been transferred to Commons. (e.g. File:AmericasBestComics2106.jpg.) I can't imagine that it's terribly controversial, but notification is a part of due process. Please respond on my talk if you need to discuss this further. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:39, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
