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black as far as I can tell, they were to the - there somewhere. They were to the left of some big pole. Everyone thought they were the other people that had gotten through the lines. The only footage that I have seen of them, you know doing any – I didn't find out that they had done the Nazi salute on those steps until after the event. The first time I saw them doing the Nazi salute was when they were being ushered by the police through the middle of the zone. And I was thinking, "oh my gosh, there are Nazis here, that's terrible, but at least the police are taking them away."

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JP Weren't you involved in the organisation [of the LWS rally]?

MD Right at the end. I can show you text messages. I was not the main organiser. The main organiser was Angie Jones who is a Jewish woman. They're all left-wing women.

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Nobody knew who they were. The police weren't panicking. They said that they would keep everybody away, have a buffer zone, and when they, like when I finally noticed them – I honestly don't know the time they got there. We were dealing with crazy people right around us, right a [metre] away from us. I mean, the police have said that they didn't have enough people, that there were all these different groups. The Australian Jewish Association has come out and said that we had nothing to do with it, if I was an organiser, but, you know, the Standing for Women people who, yes, I helped, but I wasn't – I didn't do the initial organisation and I don't know why I would be blamed for some random, horrible people turning up that had no insignia, I had no ability, none of us had any ability to know who they were until they put their hand up, which was when they were being escorted off the premises as far as we could see.

JP Doesn't it occur to you though, Moira, that you're an MP, you're got a high profile now, doesn't it occur to you that when you participate in protests like this you are going to draw people from all over the place? Particularly people like the Sewells or the –

MD – No, why would a Nazi group come there? They weren't there supporting us, they've said on their own page – oh that's the other thing you should know, I guess. So, I said that there was a horrible Nazi salute, because I know you don't just call people Nazis because that's insulting to Jewish people, because I didn't know who they were. And then later on the newspapers came out, apparently some of them didn't have a mask on and they identified them, and they are Nazis. Terrible. But those people, whoever they are, those Nazis, have come out and said that they were there protesting both groups. They've said it themselves. They weren't –

JP – So they weren't there, they've said they weren't there to support you?

MD They've said, or whoever that guy is, I don't know his name –

JP – or the – Posie Parker –

MD – I don't know who he is, but whoever they identified as being, I don't know, with them or one of their leaders, he runs XYZ or something, and he's got this whole post about how no he didn't come there to support them. He came to protest both of them, because Standing for Women is – I mean, he's insane. He's like a pro lesbian, atheist. I don't know. They're Nazis. They're insane. They were not with that group, they literally stood – the police let them stand on the other side of that pole and take a photo and then walk right through the crowd. I only saw them when they walked through the crowd. Everyone panicked. I don't know what time it was, because we had other protestors. I was assaulted. A woman was knocked unconscious and had to go to hospital. Those crazy trans rights activists were punching horses. The police asked us

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