said what to whom. The parties, however, remained in "dispute … as to the characterisation of the [meeting]" (Agreed Factual Narrative [84]).
173 The first part of the meeting ran for 70 minutes. The transcript of it comprises 30 single spaced pages (Ex A2).
174 I have done my best to distil the relevant extracts from it to a manageable length, as follows:
I have done my best to distil the relevant extracts from it to a manageable length, as follows:
JP [Mr Pesutto] So Moira, thanks for coming in. I think you know what it's roughly pertaining to, obviously the events of yesterday. So, look, just wanted to go through the implications of all of that and what it means for us as a party, and as a team wanting to win in 2026. I think I'd start just by some general comments about what I'm trying to do as leader … So, my concerns about yesterday, and I will ask for your, obviously, feedback on this and thoughts on this, is that the arrival of the Nazi – I will call them Nazi protestors, but the whoever they are – I am going to call them that because that that frankly is how everybody sees them, right, the media sees them –
MD [Mrs Deeming] – I think that's what they are.
JP Yeah. So, the Nazi protestors arrive and whether you like it or not, when the media and everybody looking at it, whether we like it or not, whether we dispute it vehemently or not, when the media see that, they see them attached to you, they see them attached to me, they see them attached to us. And now, we've got a problem, a huge problem now, because people think, rightly or wrongly, that we walk in lockstep with Nazi protestors and Nazis. And I'm getting clobbered, not just on social media, I'm getting messages from people now, and that will build, this is not going away this is actually going to, I think, intensify as a story and I say that because I think if you look at, the way that – this is my suspicion – if you look at the way the media is reporting it they are referring only to Katherine [Deves] and they haven't talked about you yet. But having been around the oval a few times, that's coming and that's my feeling. I think Andrews in his tweets today is signalling that this is what their week is going to be about.
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Now I know you will have a different view, and you can tell us about that and I really want to hear from you about it, but that's the view, and it's going to be toxic for us. We will not be able to get any kind of messages up, we will not be able to campaign on anything, we will just be confronted with that wherever we turn up. I think at this stage I might just leave it there. They're just my general concerns and I really just wanted to hear from you to see what you wanted to say about yesterday because I also need to know from you exactly, and we can work through this in the discussion, exactly what happened. I don't know whether when the Nazis arrived and you saw them, whether you left, whether you stayed, I'd be interested to know what happened there, but it's very serious for us. And the damage it will do to us is hard to estimate. And all I'm trying to do with all of us as a team is to try to get us over the line in 2026, I'm actually convinced that we can, but stuff like this will stop us from doing that. So, Moira, I'm just going to leave my opening comments there but I throw over to you, obviously respond as you see appropriate, but I'm keen to know, factually, the presence of the Nazis, and whether there was [sic] any connections there before or after, and what happened when you saw them arrive, because that's going to come out when the media start digging on this stuff.
MD Very obviously I'm not a Nazi and I don't support Nazis. They arrived just in
