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Again, welcome! Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:55, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
Moving chapters
[edit]Hi! I just wanted to say that the index is full of links to the /Chapters. I did that because I think that for the most part, the url links are mostly invisible. Also, I read this great opinion about whether to use /Chapter IV or /Chapter 4 and it turned out that it was a toss up: 6 of one thing, half a dozen of the other. So, I always name them simply, especially if I am going to have an index as well.
I am tempted to just take the index off the Main page, and that way, it won't be downloaded in its broken state.
Will you be fixing the index also? It starts here: Page:Wireless Telegraphy and Telephony (1908, Massie and Underhill).djvu/85. I appreciate your thoroughness!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 23:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, I fixed the index, so there's no need to remove it from mainspace. Checking shows that there are no more incoming links into the former Chapters 8 and 9. Dmoews (talk) 23:35, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
spl
[edit]Recently, spl started to work differently. It should not have done that. It is a template that has been in use for more than a decade.
I use it like it used to work. It will need to be rolled back because decades vs months.
I suggest that you do what you want with your books; I am sticking with the "We don't change templates that worked a certain way for decades" use of it; which is what the usual answer to such questions is.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 23:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Also, that was a nifty noincludes trick that I did not know I needed.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 23:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- What problem are you having with {{spl}}? Before yesterday, it looks like it's been stable since April-June 2022, when Yodin and Uzume upgraded it. Before then it had no facility for linking in mainspace at all but simply displayed an unlinked page number there.
- You don't need to add a page number anchor when you are using {{spl}} with syntax like {{spl|page-number|offset|base-link}}; that is, you don't have to write {{spl|page-number|offset|base-link#page-number}}. {{spl}} will add a page number anchor to the mainspace link automatically, and if you add it manually, the anchor will be duplicated, which will cause problems. If you are using a different anchor, not equal to the page number, you can add it as the fourth parameter, making the syntax {{spl|page-number|offset|base-link|anchor}}, but this is not necessary if you are using the page number as an anchor.
- Dmoews (talk) 01:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- The right way to have accomplished this was to make a new template. Also, they have broken (on purpose) {{spl2}} because it is not working incorrectly (meaning in a different way than it was for decade(s) before.
- The history I have seen in templates is not the history I saw; which is also a problem. I might not have been happy or perfect in the history I remember, but it is mine! That the history for {{dpl}} was deleted or otherwise lost when it was redirected is also mighty odd and difficult for me to grasp in the hows and whys ways.
- Also, isn't it stupid to have a link in a toc--one that goes to /Chapter_1 and the other goes to /Chapter_1#1? An anchored link in a Table of Contents is unnecessary and kind of stupid, unless you have all the chapters on one page--but that is rare and the text link would reflect that also. Flexibility was lost for stupid.
- That "anchor=" to suppress the page anchor wasn't working when I tried it a few months ago. It produced a #c3#43, which is even stupider, and probably broken.
- I was kind of mad you had your mousepointer on my work. Then I saw that <includeonly> and I had to stop the mad because you are better at this than I am. So much better to be angry at myself. I prefer having people who are smarter than me around. Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Dpl--RaboKarbakian (talk) 12:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC) And they screwed the what links here history also--time to look at Bird-Life.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 12:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC) Right here and the second time I looked at it, the dpl's subst'd. I am really unhappy with this. What reason would I have expanded the dpls but not the DJVU2s>--RaboKarbakian (talk) 12:29, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Dmoews: I am not sure I would consider my meager contributions an "upgrade". All I did was generalize the namespace names (by adding
ns:parser function references) so the template was, in theory, more portable to other languages (i.e., wikis where the namespaces had different names). Thank you, —Uzume (talk) 13:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)- Uzume I am not complaining about your change. In fact, what you did is the only thing that should be kept. Unless, of course, you are responsible for the weird and wrong history there.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 13:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- @RaboKarbakian: I am not sure what you mean by "wrong history". MediaWiki does not really allow anyone to change the history of a page (although it is possible to delete and/or rename pages). About the only "history revisions" possible are to delete/remove specific revisions and those are always noted but just not publicly visible (and typically reserved for defamatory content). I suppose, in theory, one could directly edit the database (provided someone had such access of course) and/or edit an export and then reimport it, etc. (that would probably be easier but then again imports are noted in the history). —Uzume (talk) 13:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- {{DJVU page link}} was moved to {{Scan page link}} in October 2021, so its history moved with it. Dmoews (talk) 17:47, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- @RaboKarbakian: I am not sure what you mean by "wrong history". MediaWiki does not really allow anyone to change the history of a page (although it is possible to delete and/or rename pages). About the only "history revisions" possible are to delete/remove specific revisions and those are always noted but just not publicly visible (and typically reserved for defamatory content). I suppose, in theory, one could directly edit the database (provided someone had such access of course) and/or edit an export and then reimport it, etc. (that would probably be easier but then again imports are noted in the history). —Uzume (talk) 13:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Uzume I am not complaining about your change. In fact, what you did is the only thing that should be kept. Unless, of course, you are responsible for the weird and wrong history there.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 13:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)