Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help

Error: Invalid Interval

I've uploaded a PDF file to wikimedia commons. I've tried to make an index page for the file so I can translate it into english and improve the readability of its current ocr transcript. I would like some advice and help on how to resolve it and get to working on the next steps. The index is Index:Mizo Chanchin - Liangkhaia.pdf and the file is"File:Mizo Chanchin - Liangkhaia.pdf". I'm new to wikisource so apologies for any oversights. Mmis325 (talk) 08:03, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Oh, it seems to have the pages indexed now, I'm not sure why it was the case. Is there a delay for it? Mmis325 (talk) 08:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, we sometimes have a delay—particularly with pdf files. It can be up to 24 hours. Glad it was shorter for you this time. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:25, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

@Mmis325: It usually helps if you purge the cache of the file in Commons (in the "More" at the top), and then also purge the cache of the file here in Wikisource (in the "Tools" at the top). --Jan Kameníček (talk) 14:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Problem regarding sidenotes

Hello, I'm a contributor to the Portuguse Wikisource, where we didn’t have a side note template. I was eager to finish a book that includes some marginal notes. Since I don’t know advanced CSS/HTML or Lua, I simply copied and pasted the Template:Sidenote and its child Template:Sidenotes begin into the Portuguese Wikisource. You can see it here. However, after setting everything up, nothing happened.

The margins on the right and left are created with the Template:Sidenotes begin equivalent, but the text remains in the main body—it’s just smaller.

I assume I need to adjust something in the overall layout of the Wiki, but I’m not sure. Perhaps I’m wrong. Does anyone know how to fix this? I would be really grateful!

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! :D (I apologize if this isn’t the right place for this, but I couldn’t find a more suitable one) Junglk (talk) 19:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Here it’s an example Junglk (talk) 19:39, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Bem-vindo. This may be a silly question, but did you only view it in the Page namespace or did you also view it in the transcluded Main namespace? The way that it appears here differs depending on the namespace. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:56, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

I just tested it in the Page namespace. Should I test it in the Main namespace as well? Here, the sidenote seems fine in the Page namespace, so I assumed that if it’s wrong in the Page namespace, it’s not working. Junglk (talk) 20:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

It's worth trying. If that works, then it works. If not, then I'm fresh out of ideas. Unfortunately, importing templates is a real pain. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

I just tested it, and it doesn't work at all... Page namespace and here the Main namespace Junglk (talk) 20:23, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Junglk my guess is that there is a missing stylesheet somewhere. {{Sidenote}} mentions 2! Maybe try adding Template:Sidenote, Template:Sidenote/styles.css, and Template:Sidenote/styles page ns.css to pt:ws, as the beginning and end templates refer to this.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:42, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

I already created both .css pages. No idea what can it be 😭 Junglk (talk) 15:00, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

The sidenote handling here is also partly an implementation inside Pagenum.js which is specfic to English Wikisource. It's not necessarily implented on other Wikisource in the same way ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Language interlink

Hello. Please help to make an interlink between this entry:

https://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Un_puesto_de_chía_en_Semana_Santa

and this entry:

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_chía_stand_during_Holy_Week

Thank you! Rauzoi (talk) 22:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Done, but for a translation by a wikisource user (which this appears to be):

• It should be in the translation namespace (I moved it)
• The original version should have a compatible license (to make sure it can be included)
• And it must have a source (a scanned source would be much better, but it's not yet mandatory)

The Spanish Wikisource page appears to have neither of the last two. Could you please add them? Thanks, — Alien  3
3 3 09:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Error: Invalid interval (2)

Index:The English Reports v1 1900.pdf Is there any guidance on how to set the pagelist? What I've been able to find so far hasn't helped. Foofighter20x (talk) 13:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Should be OK now. It usually helps if you purge the cache of the file in Commons (in the "More" at the top), and then also purge the cache of the file here in Wikisource (in the "Tools" at the top). Sometimes purging the cache of the Index page may be needed too. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 14:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Help with links

I was trying to get a page from the New Students Reference Work proofread, where I came across a slight issue. I was trying to link to the article we had in the mainspace for Fitz-Greene Halleck, and it did so, but the second link doesn't display as "Fitz=Greene", the way it should. Any help? CitationsFreak (talk) 08:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

In templates, x=y gives value y to argument x, instead of giving value "x=y" to an anonymous arguments. To solve this, either escape the equals with the parser function {{=}}, or explicitly name the numbered parameter (in this case 2=Fitz=Greene, which means that you give value "Fitz=Greene" to argument 2, which is what you wanted.) — Alien  3
3 3 08:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

File not mirroring wikisource

I recently uploaded c:File:Fairy tales, now first collected by Joseph Ritson.djvu, but File:Fairy tales, now first collected by Joseph Ritson.djvu isn't mirroring it, for some reason. Eievie (talk) 11:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

This is a fairly common issue and is solved by repeatedly purging the page. Should work now. There is a gadget you can add if you want to have easier access to purging. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 11:35, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm having this situation again with File:The History and Description of the Isle of Man.djvu. Even after purging it dozens of times, it's still not fixing. Is it expected to be like 15 purges, or 50 purges, or 500s, or...? Eievie (talk) 22:27, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

A few should do it. It displays correctly at Commons, but purging the local copy at https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=File:The_History_and_Description_of_the_Isle_of_Man.djvu&action=purge did the trick for me. Is it displaying for you? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:29, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

It started working right as soon as you messaged this Eievie (talk) 22:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

In general, purge the file at commons, then purge the local copy, then bypass your browser cache (w:WP:BYPASS) for the index, and it should do it. — Alien  3
3 3 07:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

How do we add works without usable scans?

Atlas Games has released a number of Ars Magica books under the CC-BY-SA 4.0. However, as they put it "The Licensed Material is the TEXT of the game books. It does not include the the trade dress, artwork, cartography, or logos." So we can not just upload the PDFs of the books. What's the best way to handle this? Prosfilaes (talk) 07:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

I'd say just leave it. There are plenty of awesome and useful texts published and actually free that we can work on instead of wasting time on texts where the publisher is deliberately making it difficult to reuse it (undermining the seemingly open license). There's no even half-way good way for us to host this text unless and until someone else we recognise as a reputable publisher republishes the text in a form that is actually free. Any hoop-jumping we do before that happens is just going to water down our commitment to verifiability and openness, and create maintenance problems for ourselves down the road. Xover (talk) 08:09, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

How do I format this right sidenote that becomes... not a right sidenote

{{helpme}} It's really hard to describe, but I'm working on Page:1610 Douai Old Testament.pdf/337 and you can see that the right sidenote kind of overflows into the gap created by the paragraph break. Is there a way to format that, so that it looks right in the webpage? SkylightPenguin (talk) 00:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Don't attempt to reproduce this formatting. Any solution will simply not scale across the wide range of formats we serve and it's not worth the battle. Just leave them as long sidenotes. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

additional question, is there a fixed use of {{outside L}} vs {{left sidenote}} and {{outside RL}} vs ?

I ask because the document in question has inside and outside sidenotes, and I realise if this is transcluded, the sidenotes will keep changing sides.

I also wonder if you can help me clarify: I just use {{outside RL}} on the sidenotes that show up on the right side, and in the... full view, (not source view/page-by-page view), it will render on the left?

I read the documentation, but I found it a little unclear. SkylightPenguin (talk) 07:02, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Unable to validate page

For some reason I'm unable to validate Page:Zanoni.djvu/140 despite never having touched the page before. It just seems to be a problem with this pages, all other pages seem to work fine. ToxicPea (talk) 16:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@ToxicPea: I deleted and recreated the page, with exact same content. Does it work now? SnowyCinema (talk) 17:05, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

It did work, thank you. ToxicPea (talk) 17:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

The revision history shows that you validated it and then I did the same. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Illegible page thumbnails

For Liberty v02 n10 (1925-07-11) the small text is reduced to illegibility in the thumbnails used for editing. I didn't find anything about this kind of thing in my search of Help: or the archive here. I noticed that the images at IA are roughly 2600x3400 in resolution, but the PDF is about 600X800. Is there anything I can do to get better thumbnails for the edit page? Oswallt (talk) 02:18, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Oswallt I made a djvu file to replace the pdf. There were some single pages that contained 2 pages; those were split up and it should work a lot better with what we have here. The downside is that (if you accept this file) you will need to start over somewhat. I can move the pages that you did already and they should match the pages in the pdf; but I won't do that until you say it is okay to do so. Index:Liberty-Vo2-N10.djvu (the cache at commons and here might need some purging, don't worry if it doesn't show right away; it is there)

What fun this one was! Funny ads and nice pictures. Let me know if you would like those pages moved.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 01:41, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

@RaboKarbakian Thank you! Yes, please move the pages; I saved the little bit of editing I've done.

 

I stumbled across this on Internet Archive and was surprised to find out that it was incredibly popular in the 1920s and 1930s. It had articles from all kinds of well known people. The Wikipedia article has a list of some of the most notable ones. Oswallt (talk) 03:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Oswallt: Everything has been moved. I think that paperbacks killed the magazines; its kind of too bad, really. Serialized fiction, essays, and reports from about. Writers and illustrators could pick up a little cash and maybe a few more fans/readers.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 13:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Not transcluding + questions on transcription

The first problem is that <pages index="A Frank Statement.png"/> doesn't seem to produce any page text.
Secondly, am I doing things at Page:A Frank Statement.png correctly so far? What do I do with the fact that the original scan's "Sponsors" heading has spaces between the letters? Should I preserve the original scan's columns, including under the sponsor heading? Aaron Liu (talk) 02:59, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@Aaron Liu For <pages /> you'll need to tell it which pages, even if there's only one. So, <pages index="A Frank Statement.png" include=1 /> This Help: page gives some info on transclusion. For the letter spacing, there's a template: {{Letter-spacing}}. Don't preserve the columns, here's a Help: page on that. I'm still not very experienced here myself, so I'll leave any other tips and help to the cool kids. But, for me, it looks like you're doing good! Oswallt (talk) 03:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, that worked! Aaron Liu (talk) 03:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Also, what do I do with the numbers sticking out in smallcaps? Aaron Liu (talk) 03:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@Aaron Liu I'm not sure if it's the right way to do it, but you can use one of the size templates, like {{xs}} Oswallt (talk) 03:49, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

well, let's see if others respond Aaron Liu (talk) 03:57, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oswallt, Aaron Liu: The page has been changed so that it is no longer used, but the template usually employed for that is {{o s}}: 5400 Empire State Building, New York 1, N. Y. In that case, though, because the numbers were the same height as the letters (no descenders), the proper route is to wrap the entire address (letters and numbers) in a size template. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 02:18, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

handwritten text: ampersand, &c, etc.

Proofreading here , and saw some shorthand/archaic used for things like city name, 'and', and 'etc'. Am I using these templates correctly? Or, is this just too much? Thanks Just Al (talk) 01:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Don't need to template these, just enter the characters. Also, hard-coding the linebreaks in prose passages is not done here. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

I didn't set the line breaks, they were from a previous editor. But I'll go back and remove them. Thanks. Just Al (talk) 14:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

'Error: Invalid interval' when specifying pagelist

I'm trying to transcribe an English translation of Bjorsjerne Bjornson's Fiskerjenten: Index:The Fisher Maiden.pdf. The file seems to have uploaded fine to Commons (File:The_Fisher_Maiden.pdf) but the index is getting an "Error: Invalid interval" error so I can't proofread any of the pages. How do I fix this? Thanks! Qx3Jw (talk) 21:54, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

It displays now for me. Sometimes this happens with issues related to catching and purging. If you refresh the index on your end, it should be good. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:07, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Wow, thanks. Literally checked 3 minutes ago and it wasn't fine still ... alas. Thanks! Qx3Jw (talk) 22:08, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

I purged both the commons version and the WS mirror of the file to force it to appear. MarkLSteadman (talk) 22:11, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Updating MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js

I've been working on updating the visibility gadget to support {{ss}}. I have code in User:CalendulaAsteraceae/sandbox.js, have modified the template at {{ss/sandbox}}, and am testing the code at Template:Ss/testcases. (I've also temporarily turned off the visibility gadget, so as not to interfere.) According to the console logs, pressing the "Hide long s (ſ)" button does cause the functions to be run, but it doesn't actually cause any updates—the long s is still showing, and the button still says "Hide long s (ſ)" rather than "Show long s (ſ)". Does anyone see what might be the issue here? —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 08:49, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

The return in is_set line 73, is in a .forEach, which means two things:

1. It is executed synchronously, and so JS does the return false line 76 without waiting for that
2. As .forEach uses a function, it is that function, and not the parent function, that returns true.

— Alien  3
3 3 09:20, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

So, you should replace

					Object.keys(props.text1).forEach(function(typo_class) {
						if ($("." + typo_class + ":first").text() !== props["text1"][typo_class]) {
							return true;
						}
					});
					return false;

by something like

					return Object.keys(props.text1).some( (typo_class) =>
						($("." + typo_class + ":first").text() !== props["text1"][typo_class])
					);

— Alien  3
3 3 09:22, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Tested, this does fix it. — Alien  3
3 3 09:24, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 09:24, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Monthly Weather Review V1, I3

I recently added the entirety of Monthly Weather Review, Volume 1, Issue 3. I'm still newer to Wikisource and wanted to ask if someone could check it over to see if I did it correctly?

Along that note, the index pages have broken DOIs and I have absolutely no idea how to fix it. Indexes for Storms, Rain-fall, and Temperature. WeatherWriter (talk) 16:52, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the DOIs provided by the American Meteorological Society for this journal seem to be broken. Dmoews (talk) 02:41, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

The transcriptions of the Monthly Weather Review, vol. 1, #1 (Jan. 1873) and vol. 1, #2 (Feb. 1873) are missing charts. The transcription for vol. 1, #3 (March 1873) is missing the section on storms. Also, there are some issues of the Monthly Weather Review dated earlier than 1873, from July to December 1872. These don't seem to be available from the American Meterological Society but can be found on the Internet Archive. Dmoews (talk) 17:53, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Semi-Broken page

The page Poems (Tree) appears to broken on my end sometimes but not always. Specifically, the page sometimes shows Error: No Such File repeatedly instead of transcluding properly. This tends to happen right after purging the page. The same thing happens with the Index. ToxicPea (talk) 23:49, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Never mind it seems to be consistently working now. ToxicPea (talk) 04:46, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

I did some purging of it a while back, but then got pulled into work before I could comment. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:45, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

It's because I'd originally uploaded the scan at Commons, then realized it wasn't PD-UK, so I moved it over here, and it often happens during these kinds of operations that transclusion get confused for a little while. — Alien  3
3 3 06:27, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Verse numbers misaligned

{{helpme}} so in for example Page:1610_Douai_Old_Testament.pdf/338, I am trying to get the {{verseline}} template to work. However, the verse numbers don't align with the verse breaks. Not sure if this is a problem with the template itself or how to fix it. SkylightPenguin (talk) 05:43, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm also not sure if I should switch to using the {{verse}} template. SkylightPenguin (talk) 05:44, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

My two cents:

This is a very complicated use case, and I have no idea how it would be done to align them to the right (or the left, for that matter). The interaction with the outside notes make float unusable, and anyhow float would end with multiple lines numbers being crunched together at end of lines (and in the wrong order, too).

The numbers go with the crosses. I would say leave them with the crosses, and go with {{verse|number}}. Alignment is not possible as far as I know. — Alien  3
3 3 18:03, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

@Alien333,@SkylightPenguin Not sure if this suggestion will help (I can't seem to see the scan pages, only the proofread text), but if you can live with text that is not justified, then you might be able to use something like {{pline}}, wrapping every page in a block center with an enforced max-width, see e.g. Page:The Elene of Cynewulf.djvu/15, and the corresponding styles page setting the max width of the block center: Index:The Elene of Cynewulf.djvu/styles.css. If you did this, you would also have to account for the default width of the sidenotes when setting the width of the block center, such that the verse numbers still appear on the correct lines. This is all assuming I have interpreted the issue correctly, and that "verse numbers don't align with the verse breaks" does not mean align left/right, but that the verseline tags are becoming out of sync in the vertical direction with the corresponding text lines. Again, this will cost you the text no longer being justified. Regards, TeysaKarlov (talk) 21:46, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

In Obitum M S, X° Maij, 1614

For some reason, this is categorized as a 1660 work. It should properly have no date, as a versions page, but 1660 is definitely wrong. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 00:10, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Why should a version page have no date? All works have an original date of either composition or publication. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

In this case, the date is supplied by Wikidata. I have corrected the date. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:37, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

• EncycloPetey: The date refers to the date of publication (for copyright purposes, if for no other reason). While individual versions will have individual publication dates, the work as an abstract concept does not have a date; the only thing being shown on the page is Wikisource’s own list of versions. I respond now because I found another example: most of Shakespeare’s sonnets, from Sonnet 6 (Shakespeare) on, are given as 1840 works. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 02:00, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

  The date on an edition refers to the date of that version's publication, yes. But the date on the work (which we treat as a version page) refers to the initial date at which the work came into existence. This is date of first publication for most modern works, but may refer to date of composition or date of first performance for classical works. Even the abstraction of the work has a date from which it's existence can be recorded, and that's what Wikidata and Wikipedia use as well. --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:05, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

  • That makes sense for Wikipedia, perhaps, but not for us. The <Year> works categories should only include works, but versions pages are not actually works; they are merely (Wikisource-curated) lists of (public-domain) editions of works. The lists themselves have no inherent date, and thus versions pages should not be put in <Year> works categories. Besides, while for actual editions the year can be compared with the text and corrected quite easily, it seems that all of these issues stem from the always less-than-accurate Wikidata being used to populate local templates. I have only found them by searching through the <Year> works categories (although usually I’m in the 1600s). TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 13:53, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

    If a date on Wikipedia is incorrect, then Wikidata can be edited. We're not putting in a date derived from the lists of editions, but are using the same date that "makes sense" for Wikidata and Wikipedia. As you have noted, the concept of that date does carry usable meaning, as it makes sense in its use on both Wikipedia and on Wikidata. Such a date does not cease to have meaning simply because it is being used on another project. It is the same date fpr the same sense. It also sounds as though you are using a different meaning of the term works than is used on Wikidata and FRBR, where the works pages are tied to the WP articles and our "Versions" pages; perhaps this is part of the confusion. Italian Wikisource has solved the problem by using an "Opera:" (Work:) namespace to use in lieu of "Versions" pages, to make it clear that such lists of editions of the same work are functionally the same as indicating a conceptual work, merely listing the various editions in which that work has been issued.

    If your argument is that our Versions pages are not themselves works, that much is correct. But neither are the Wikipedia articles those works, and neither is the Wikidata item associated with that article the work. Whether it's a Wikipedia article written about the work, or a Wikisource versions page listing editions of the work, or a Wikiquote page with quotations from editions of the work, none of those are the work. But they are all embodiments of what that project carries in association with the abstract concept of the work. Wikipedia will have article written about the work. Wikiquote collects quotations from various editions of the work. And Wikisource proofreads editions of the work. And on Wikidata, each of those different sorts of embodiments are collected together on the data item assigned to carry the data and database identifiers for that work. --EncycloPetey (talk) 14:53, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

The Inscription on the Stele of Méšaʿ/The Moabite Text in Phœnician Script

See the concern raised by Vollbracht at Talk:The Inscription on the Stele of Méšaʿ/The Moabite Text in Phœnician Script. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 16:07, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

I believe this is linked to MW's handling of right-to-left text, with brackets specifically being perceived as always left-to-right, if I understand it correctly. — Alien  3
3 3 20:21, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

No! Actually in rtl text those brackets turn around. The problem occurs where rtl text boarders on ltr text. Handling is independent form MW but defined by user agents (firefox, e. g.) handling html correctly. When writing

some Text [<span dir="rtl">some text [text in backets</span>

it won't be distinguishable optically from

some Text <span dir="rtl">some text [text in backets]</span>

But when selecting the text, you'll recognize the difference. You need not use the <span dir="rtl">-syntax to have rtl text as Hebrew e. g. is handled rtl anyway. But the errors get obvious when putting the portion into the spans:

::[וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ [כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ 
::<span dir="rtl">[וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ [כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ</span>
::<span dir="rtl">וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ [כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ]</span>
::וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ [כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ]

will be

[וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ [כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ

[וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ [כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ

וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ [כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ]

וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ [כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ]

The first two lines are coded erroneously. (The first has been copied into the spans.) If you mark the text beginning with the closing bracket of first line, you'll recognize. The code of 2nd and 3rd line seam indistinguishable. But due to correct coding the 3rd shows up correctly.The 4th finally is a copy from the 3rd. The spans are not needed in the end.

In this special case I copied the content line by line into German Wiki. This was a little notchy. But in the end this table is coding error free. Vollbracht (talk) 22:22, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

By the way, in that table I have replaced the pipe symbol that was used as "Legarmeh" (full stop) as in Hebrew with a Legarmeh sign. Vollbracht (talk) 03:09, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Help formatting TikTok v. Garland

I need some help formatting TikTok v. Garland, which is already linked to the w:TikTok v. Garland Wikipedia article. This will be a hot topic for the day, so some formatting assistance would be appreciated! WeatherWriter (talk) 16:33, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

On it. (In general, it's considered better to not transclude pages, and put them on {{new texts}}, until they're proofread.) — Alien  3
3 3 17:03, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

@WeatherWriter: It's Done. (I wasn't the only one to work on it). — Alien  3
3 3 20:12, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Upload DJVUs for me?

Looking to add some specific works, can someone upload the following DJVUs and insert them into a page with the appropriate title so that I can go about proofreading?

The Smiling Isle of Passamaquoddy - https://ia801204.us.archive.org/16/items/smilingisleofpas00thom/smilingisleofpas00thom.pdf

https://archive.org/stream/collectionsofnew41012newb/collectionsofnew41012newb_djvu.txt

https://dn790006.ca.archive.org/0/items/exodusofloyalist00sieb/exodusofloyalist00sieb.pdf

https://ia600200.us.archive.org/28/items/historyofislands00lori/historyofislands00lori.pdf

Much thanks. Fundy Isles Historian - J (talk) 01:03, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

It's much more helpful if you link to the work page on the Internet Archive, not directly to the PDF. You can always upload them to Commons with https://ia-upload.wmcloud.org/ .--Prosfilaes (talk) 04:40, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

It won't allow me to upload PDFs to Commons saying it's abusive for new users, and I can't tell what I'm doing (wrong) with Index:Myths and Legends.djvu for example.

• Fundy Isles Historian - J: You didn’t do anything wrong; Commons often doesn’t display DJVU and PDF files appropriately on initial upload. I purged the cache on Commons, and now the DJVU seems to be working. Do you just want this file, or were you interested in working on others as well? TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 00:58, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

  Agree with what TE(æ)A,ea said, this is an all-too-frequent problem. The problem persists when using IA Upload as Prosfilaes suggests. After much fiddling with this over the years, I have generally found that purging the cache on the file at Commons is the missing piece. I've always meant to check whether there's an open ticket about this, it seems like something that could be pretty easily solved in software...but I can't really think of the right words to describe it, to search for an existing ticket. TE(æ)A,ea. any thoughts? -Pete (talk) 02:09, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

  It's a long story, and there's a constellation of tasks about it on phab. IIRC it's related to how MW handles caching these files. — Alien  3
  3 3 07:01, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Well, The Smiling Isle of Passamaquoddy has about all the work I can put into it now I think - it might be ready to go on the front page or something I have no idea. Fundy Isles Historian - J (talk) 21:58, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

It should not be listed on the front page until all pages have been proofread and the missing images inserted. We don't promote incomplete or half-finished works. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:09, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

How to handle two texts in one?

I've currently finished proofreading this transcription that someone else abandoned. This index contains two texts in one. How would I handle them? Norbillian (talk) 16:22, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

You can add an {{AuxTOC}} and split it into two subpages (like here Anarchy and Is It All a Dream?) Thanks for finishing it! MarkLSteadman (talk) 16:46, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! Norbillian (talk) 16:53, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

One possibility is to handle it like Pindar and Anacreon, which is also a publication of two different texts as a single volume. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

How to tie together an existing document with a source and index?

Another user has started work on the Geneva Bible (Bible (Geneva)) without a source. I have uploaded a source pdf to the Commmons and created an Index file (Index:1560 Geneva Bible.pdf). How do these get tied together? Thanks Greenshed (talk) 20:30, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

The PDF is not displaying correctly for me. So there may be an issue with the PDF, or it may be one of the many transitory "errors" that occur from using PDF files, in which case it may resolve itself in a few days. Until we know that the PDF is correctly formatted, it's hard to say what step(s) to take next. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:35, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks but even allowing for that issue to resolve itself, how can I give Bible (Geneva) a source tab on which the pdf should appear? Greenshed (talk) 20:39, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

That isn't possible until we have a functioning PDF / Index setup. The Index must first connect to the PDF contents, then we proofread at least a few pages from the Index, and only then can that connection be made. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:50, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks again. The pdf appears to be rendering now. I would create a page but even for the simpler pages (i.e. no graphics), I need a heading across the top of the page and then the main body of the page in four columns with the two outer columns for the side notes. I've been looking around in the help but can't find how to do this. Any suggestions? Greenshed (talk) 21:26, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

It is indeed going to be a very complex work to proofread. Not one I would recommend for a first-time editor. All I can suggest is that we usually do not try to replicate columns, and that some of the text appears to be marginal gloss, rather than body text. I've never proofread a work with formatting that complex. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:29, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

The marginal notes are historically important and are perhaps the main reason why King James I banned its publication (so it would be good to retain them if possible). I could start with only the main text in a single column and look to add the side notes later so long as this approach would not lead to significant difficulties later on. What do you think? Greenshed (talk) 21:41, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Without a lot of careful investigation, I can't be certain of making good recommendations. For example, I'm not sure whether the marginal gloss is more like footnotes, or more like sidenotes, or something else. And without properly understanding how they're structured, I cannot recommend the best approach. Hopefully, someone who has worked on similar formatting in older texts can offer a suggestion. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:45, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Just to second, and expand a bit on, what EncycloPetey says, this looks to be a very challenging project. Certainly margin notes can be replicated, but it will involve using some Wikisource-specific templates (and perhaps some judgment calls about which is the best of multiple ways of accomplishing a given outcome). If you haven't done much proofreading here, I agree you'd do well to start by finding some other works with margin notes, and see how other editors have approached them, and try to pitch in on those. I'm not sure what prompted EP to note that we don't reproduce columns here, but I wholeheartedly agree with that. It should be possible to preserve verse numbering and margin notes without replicating columns. -Pete (talk) 21:51, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Also worth noting, this PDF appears not to have a complete OCR layer. With such a complex document, it's possible that doesn't matter, as the complex formatting might mean it's impractical to base proofreading off of OCR. But typically, we would want to start with a better PDF (or even better, a DJVU file). Pete (talk) 21:53, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for all the help. archive.org has a DJVU file in xml format (https://archive.org/download/1560-geneva-bible) but that just appears to be a (rather poor) OCR of the text. Books from 1560 are beyond my budget so the pdf may be the best we can do. Greenshed (talk) 22:03, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

The IA Upload tool referenced above can generate a DJVU based on the original scans at Internet Archive. In this case, it may or may not be successful due to the size of the file. I've started a request; in a few hours it may or may not be on Commons. You can look for it at File:1560 Geneva Bible.djvu. Pete (talk) 22:21, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Best Way to Handle a Magazine Series

I've been working on a six-part series of articles about Brazil in 1863 by Adolphe d'Assier published in in translation in The Knickerbocker. French Wikisource puts these together as one work, "Le Brésil et la Société brésilienne". Here, I've kept them a separate articles within separate issues of The Knickerbocker, but I wasn't sure if that's the best (or only) way to handle it. Would creating Brazil and Brazilian Society as single work make sense? It could have an AuxTOC pointing to the six Knickerbocker articles as they have been transcluded, or it could transclude things as a single work with three sections and 11 chapters, like this. The former reflects how it was published; the later would consolidate the content on author pages and would allow the content to be better divided based upon the author's structure for the work. Any thoughts? —Tcr25 (talk) 17:41, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

After a discussion, it was added at WS:SG#Serialized works in periodicals that they should be transcluded under the periodical, but that a mainspace page with {{AuxTOC}} pointing to the individual parts can be created. — Alien  3
3 3 20:06, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! I missed that in the style guide... —Tcr25 (talk) 20:11, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

Old index due to Commons file rename

Can someone please delete or redirect Index:104-10125-10133 (JFK, November 3 release).pdf to Index:FBI File 104-10125-10133, Martin Luther King Jr., A Current Analysis.pdf? The file on the Commons was renamed. WeatherWriter (talk) 03:19, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

How to add Gadget-Easy LST to another wikisource

Hello, we've added Gadget-Easy LST to the Ukrainian Wikisource to help with faster and easier sectioning of newspapers. Administrator created a page with all the code needed ( uk:MediaWiki:Gadget-Easy_LST.js ), and I turned it on for myself, but when I save the page with ## Section name ## it instead turns into numbered list: 1. 1. Section name ## (See this page)

Does this gadget need to be turned on by default for everyone? Or is there some other change that needs to be done, to make it work? Bicolino34 (talk) 15:18, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

The gadget seems to not load at all.

The line in MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition: Easy_LST[ResourceLoader|default]|Easy_LST.js

And the one in uk:MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition: Easy LST|[ResourceLoader]|Gadget-Easy LST.js

The default normally isn't necessary, but there are multiple other differences (|, _ vs spaces, the Gadget prefix). I'd say try replacing the line at ukws with our line, removing the |default if you want to. — Alien  3
3 3 15:52, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for help! It now works as expected Bicolino34 (talk) 16:26, 25 January 2025 (UTC)