User talk:Eievie

Constitution of Medina

Works hosted on Wikisource must be in the public domain, or must have been released under a license compatible with Wikisource. The three translations you've listed were all published after 1929, so that are not automatically in the public domain in the US. Please note that published translations may be under copyright, even if the original text is ancient. Translations that are still protected by copyright cannot be hosted here. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

The First Written Constitution by Muhammad Hamidullah was published in 1941 in Lahore, then British India. The copyright of that time and place was the Indian Copyright Act 1914. Is that the right law to look into, or would later laws trump it? Eievie (talk) 00:39, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Cesura

The reason that {{gap}} is now used is that it is a more recent and more flexible formatting template. {{cesura}} is an older template that has not been updated, and is seldom used any more. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:31, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh. I thought {{cesura}} was more specific about it's usage, so I just assumed it was better. Eievie (talk) 23:32, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

It is more specific, but it's very specific, requiring a lang block template, specified font, and special formatting to produce a gap of the right size. The {{gap}} template works in any font style. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

I'll ask around and see if we can't get the template modernized and made adjustable locally to specific works using CSS. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

The template should be updated now. I'm not certain whether the width can be adjusted using CSS, but the tamplate has at least been brought up to standards. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:10, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Great, thanks! Eievie (talk) 22:10, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

The Life and Voyages of Captain James Cook

Files in the public domain in both the US and their country of origin should be uploaded to Commons, rather than Wikisource. We only host files here if they are public domain in the US but not in the country of origin. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:58, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Treatise of the Covenant of Grace

Thank you for doing some work on this. Can you do anything better on making the errata footnote clearer where the only effect is for incorrect wording is to be removed, namely on pages 41, 268, and 280?

My purpose in working on this book is to prepare for a modern spelling edition (if I ever get that far), as I have been told by experienced people at Wikisource that this is required before an "annotated" edition is permitted (which is what a modern spelling edition would be treated as). This would not be updated or translated in any other way than updating the spelling. Merely typing it in a modern typeface removes the long esses, which are a major part of this, but there are plenty of other examples, e.g. removing the final "e" from "eate" and "roote" on page 1, and changing "signifie" to "signify" half way down page 3. I would not revise grammar, for instance changing "importeth to "imports". This would make my updated edition similar to ones done for a large quantity of other Puritans' writings in the 19th century. PeterR2 (talk) 18:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

I was just adding in the {{errata}} template because there is a template specifically for that. By the template existing, I assumed that was the site's standardized way to handle errata. That's really all I know. Eievie (talk) 18:47, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Where in the volume are the Errata published? The {{errata}} template is for placing the published errata in place, and linking to the place where the errata appear in the volume. I do not see the published errata in the volume. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

If you're still talking about A Treatise of the Covenant of Grace, then the errata are on the bottom of this page. Eievie (talk) 20:20, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Got it. Then the final volume is not set up to link to this yet? See Orlando Furioso (Rose)/Canto 15 just after p.140, as an example, where the errata notes at the end of the Canto are linked to the errata as published, so that readers can verify the corrections were published. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

The original book has an Errata section at the bottom of the Contents page facing page 1, the start of the main text. PeterR2 (talk) 00:58, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

But where is that connection made in our transcluded copy? --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:02, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

It wasn't me who installed the Errata template into A Treatise of the Covenant of Grace (I had been making the called-for corrections using SIC), but I don't feel that there is clear information as to how to use this Errata template. Nor did the Orlando Furioso book apparently originally have an Errata page (correct me if I'm wrong) whereas in A Treatise of the Covenant of Grace we have an Errata page in the original 1645 book. I thought I saw somewhere that the Errata template was meant for the situation where the original book had an Errata page (as you said "the published errata"). See also A_Treatise_of_the_Covenant_of_Grace#cite_note-1 PeterR2 (talk) 01:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

The Orlando Furioso does have an Errata page in each volume, and because it is referenced in multiple Cantos, it is displayed on the volume page for each volume. Follow the "detail" link to see the Errata. That's how it's supposed to be set up. On the page with the text to be corrected, the Errata show up as a set of footnotes, each linked back to the Errata in the book. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

OK I have now found the original errata page in Orlando Furioso. It has an "anchor+" template, and also repeated hidden text with the word "Page" (once "Pige") . The first erratum, on page 32 has this {{errata|vince|vinces|Orlando Furioso (Rose)/Introduction#ERRATA}}. PeterR2 (talk) 10:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Style changes

As a general principle:

1) We do not change the style of a page if the result will be significantly different from the original. Putting centered text into the left-hand column of a table is a significant change.

2) We do not overhaul the style work of others unless there is a strong technical reason that the change must be made. I have noticed that you have been going through proofread works and making major stylistic changes and changes to template calls that are both unnecessary and are significantly different from what was originally done. This is considered bad form on Wikisource, for multiple reasons; like bulldozing someone's garden to redesign it the way you prefer. If the garden was not full of weeds, then this approach is inappropriate. You should stop making such changes, consider reverting your changes.

--EncycloPetey (talk) 05:07, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

The notion that implementing more streamlined templates isn't allowed sounds far-fetched to me. If that really is a rule, can you please point me to which policy says so? Eievie (talk) 05:26, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

As one of the people whose styling was undone this way, I strongly agree. Namely, in the works The Heads of Severall Proceedings and Exceeding Joyfull Newes several changes were made to the title pages that either resulted in differing significantly from both the original work and the previous styling (e.g. merging lines and changing font size drastically), or are completely inconsequential (e.g. swapping out the centering templates). The font size in the first work ended up being completely disproportionate. All of this seems completely unwarranted, please kindly revert your edits and stop doing this. Don't undo someone else's work. Why do you need to a rule to tell you this? Treebitt (talk) 18:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry you 2 are annoyed, but I've also got 4 pings from people thanking me for formatting edits. Since it's both allowed, and more widely apricated than disliked, I don't see a need to stop. I'm sorry you're bothered by it; if you want to roll back a couple specific edits that bothers you, you can do that.

In the specific case of The Heads of Severall Proceedings in This Present Parliament, I was merging a line-break hyphenated word. As I understand Wikisource policy (H:LINEBREAKS), that's something we're specifically told to do. Eievie (talk) 19:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

You merged four lines, each with different font size, completely ignoring accuracy just to get rid of a single hyphen in the title of the work. I understand that generally getting rid of hyphens is the rule, and I follow it, I consider the styling accuracy more important than not having a hyphen. In cases like this a proofreader must try to strike a balance, and I made my decision. Obviously, it could have been a wrong one, but you can't just undo something entirely without at the very least making an argument for it.

Given that you seem to have been doing this frequently enough for it to get the attention of an administrator, I don't think it's unreasonable to consider this type of edits destructive. I'm glad some people appreciated your contributions, but it doesn't mean that most of them did. Not everyone will tell you their opinion. Some, if not most, seeing their work undone with no explanation, will just lose their motivation to contribute and you will not hear from them at all.

You can do what you want, but to me you are acting unreasonable by disregarding criticism and simplifying everything to rules and policies. Thinking about other people and their work is not something you need a rule for. So, do not make any changes to any of my edits. It is not appreciated and I will revert them. I think there is enough evidence for considering any such edits destructive by default, unless there is an actually good reason. Treebitt (talk) 20:35, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

rh vs. c

Hi! Thank you for proofing the Arabian Nights. I am a little miffed about the long-s change, but am not complaining. I was miffed long before AN because the long s template never worked for me; it always showed just s and that was very difficult for proofing and also, not how I set my configuration. But, not the reason I am here!! repiied to replied, etc. <-- thank you!

I disagree with the use of {{rh}} for when it is a single value and just centered. {{rh}} makes a table which is unneeded and unnecessary. And while it doesn't show up in this case so much, every time you make an unnecessary table, it is a drain on the software. I had a bunch of index pages (back of a book index, not the beginning of a proofing project index) that would refuse to render because several individual and unnecessary tables triggered a cpu limit or something like that. So, I am thinking that using {{rh}} where a {{c}} will do the same job is a bad habit to get into.

That is a whole lot of "I am annoyed, but not by you" and "might be a bad habit" for a thank you; but it is the best I got right now.

And truly, mostly, thank you!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 22:32, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

As I understand it, using {{ls}} is policy, or at the very least recommended (see Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography#Phonetically equivalent archaic letter forms).

I was using {{rh}} so Index:Arabian Nights Entertainments (1728)-Vol. 1.djvu/styles.css can be used to write a class specifically for the header. With a designated class for it, {{Old style}} can be sidestepped and the spacing can be made to look more like it does in the book. In contrast, {{c}} is used in other places as well, so I can't write use it to apply a header-only class without also effecting other centered things. I think that's valuable, but if you don't, do it how you want. Eievie (talk) 22:48, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

I have to check how the defaults are set for that template displaying ſ. Gutenberg already changes it to s always so duplicating what gutenberg is doing is just not on my todo list (except for the jpegs). The default setting should be for ſ and the s to be seen per configuration. Two templates that do not work for me right now are {{old style}} and {{ls}}.

My solution for {{old style}} involves @font being used at the template. This would fix all use of old style and not require the additional html table to be wrapped around an already centered single number adding two empty elements to produce what is already there. The downside to my idea is that wikimedia might need to install a new font. Less markup is always better.

Also, Xover went through the whole collection here and removed the {{rh}} when there was only a single centered number. Recently, even.

I am waiting for my brother to come fix this computer. I fixed it and it didn't fix!! So, my time here is sporatic right now. Also, no promises, but I will try to think of things I wish I had done for texts I have completed.

That being said, you might consider looking for style changes backwards among my texts and see if you can dig them up before I do (from my moody brain and memories). Do you know how to search a users contributions? There are so many times I wanted someone to do just what you are doing; but on a different text....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:07, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

For the {{rh}} bit, go ahead and start implementing whatever you want there. I'll figure out how to make the classes work with that secondarily.

For {{ls}}, I have no idea what's going on on your computer and how your issues might be resolved. I really just can't comment on that at all. On a site-level though, there appears to be some ambivalence regarding whether the site really "means" the style guide. At the moment, it looks like I might need to take the issue to a higher-up and get them to either decide that they really do mean the style guide (and thus trying to implement it is a good thing, and maybe we can use bots to help with that) or they don't actually mean it (and thus they're going to change the style guide). Can we put a pin in this issue of using {{ls}} until I can get a solid answer from admins on that? Eievie (talk) 22:01, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

You are absolutely correct about needing the style guide changed. The default presentation for {{ls}} also. That was the point of my rant. The word "recommended" would be nice in that style guide and a "to be expected" for community projects.

I am curious the reason you are wanting this particular document to change. It looked to me like you were thinking about authoring a wikibot and playing around with the regex filter for this reason. But, perhaps I am putting too much of myself into my ideas about what you were doing. So, with that said, what exactly is your interest in changing all the pasted ſ to {{ls}}?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 22:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I like changing ſ to {{ls}} because:

1. it really increases readably, to me personally.
2. once the ſs are out of the way, then errors start visually standing out, making it far easier to find and correct them. (example).

Eievie (talk) 22:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Poems

Please stop the so called "Migrating to modern recommended poem template" without wider consensus. The page Help:Poetry allows more ways of transcribing poetry and the practice is to accept always the way that the original contribution chose. If you want to rewrite it for some reason, always contact the original contributor(s) to agree on the change. Or alternatively, start a broader discussion e.g. at WS:Scriptorium and try to get a broader consensus on such extensive changes. -- Jan Kameníček (talk) 16:19, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Index:Colorimetry104nime.djvu

Can you work your CSS magic on the tables? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:00, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Art of Distillation..

Did you forget that Class figure captions don't accept Lists? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

On my computer it does accept it and work fine. Is there an error on yours? Eievie (talk) 22:54, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/html5-misnesting - You can't put DIV based elements inside a SPAN, You recently updated the template. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:57, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I changed it to span so that the float could work mid-paragraph (example), like how {{Img float}} does.

If there's a choice between floating and lists, I'm not sure what to prioritize. Maybe I can make a separate inline version, like {{pseudoheading}} and {{pseudoheading/inline}}. Eievie (talk) 23:04, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Recent edit makes table unreadable

Hi, your edit to the table on Page:The Art of Bookbinding, Zaehnsdorf, 1890.djvu/82 makes the column headings overlap to the point of unreadability. I've checked it in the transclusion with mobile view turned on (as as to remove skin-related issues) and it doesn't get any better. Can you please take another look? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:22, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

I just tried mobile view on my computer, and it looks the same as regular view does, so I'm not really sure what you're referring to. The part I changed most is row 2, the vertical text, so is that the issue? Eievie (talk) 18:26, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

This is what I'm seeing: Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:03, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

I an not at all seeing that, so I'm not sure what I can do about it. Do other instances of the {{vrl}} template appear bad to you too? Eievie (talk) 06:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Just took a quick look through the other uses. The columns Chinese characters are all fine, of course. The unconstrained table uses are also okay. The couple that have borders run the borders a bit tight, but are still readable. So it's just this one. Could it possibly have something to do with a column width parameter colliding with the vrl template? When I've needed to rotate text in the past, I've used {{rotate}}, so I'm not sure. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:33, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Swapped {{vrl}} to {{rotate}}. Is that better? Eievie (talk) 06:45, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that is better. I've tweaked the line height on that row from 100% to 250% otherwise I see the rotated words overlapping the box lines above and below. Does it look too horrible to you in your skin? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Just tried something, does this latest form work for you? Eievie (talk) 16:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes! I see you've created a brand new template, which I forsee being very useful for some of the more technical tables that appear in science works. Thank you for doing that. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

I actually just imported it from Wikipedia XD, but the thanks is sweet Eievie (talk) 18:29, 12 December 2024 (UTC)