User talk:Jan.Kamenicek

Index:Point Counter Point (1928).pdf

Did this index (and the associated pages) have any work done? The file appears to be in the public domain in the United States, and could be hosted locally. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 14:27, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

spl2 link

Hello again! Can I see where {{spl2}} was broke?

For years it worked and was suggested for when {{spl}} would not work, like for Roman numerals. I use it to link to Figures. And honestly, it worked in both the page namespace and also in the main namespace.

I would like to see where it is broke in the main namespace, because I am pretty sure that it was being used wrong.

If it is not to be a companion template for {{spl}} then don't you think it should be renamed so that they will not be associated with each other?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 13:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Okay, so I went to the toc templates to see where I first saw spl2 and wouldn't you know: all of the parameters for the toc template rows are gone in the documentation. The docs show how to style {{TOC begin}} like crazy but not what the 7 to 10 parameters for the rows need.

I was wondering if you got the 2 on the end of {{spl}} confused with the 2 on the end of {{nsl2}}?? I forget that 2 very often and get {{nsl}} which breaks everything badly.

I have used spl2 very very often to link to Figures. I would be glad to help to change your spl2's to spl's (which will work with the page numbers) spl2 really really was intended to work with text labels and not with numbers.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 13:33, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello. I do appreciate your effort with improving the templates. However, as I have meanwhile written in the Uzume's talk, I believe that even in cases when the template is used wrongly somewhere, first it needs to be replaced there, and only then its code can be changed. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 14:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

role reversal

Merry Christmas! If you want to leave this until after the holiday, that is fine and good. I was just having some thoughts and need to release them.

If I, a person who still has their red exclamation mark after all these years comes to you, an administrator and says that I would like to change the way that a template which is decades old functions -- what does that administrator say? "Sure, lets change it, can I help?" Probably not.

The spl links started life as dpl links. They were here before I started to edit in 2018. They do not promise to "link to the anchored page in the main space". They link to both the "scan page" in the Page: namespace and to the link that you give it in the Mainspace.

I have noticed lately that instead of the Mainspace link to "/Chapter 4" {{spl}} is now linking to "/Chapter 4#210" which is kind of not too smart and redundant and while it would only mess up reloads of the page in the browser, why add that page number to the end of a perfectly good link? Also, this really screws up links that I have made with the template in previous years. Links like when the plate links to a quote in the book like "He helped her off her high horse (page 523)". I have used spl to link to page 523; that link might be /Chapter 6#523 but since those changes have been made, that link now is to /Chapter 6#523#523.

These changes to this more than 10 years old template are debilitating to the functionality of the templates. I honestly think that any person using the templates cannot put the correct anchor on them when they are required should probably not be using the templates.

My question is (for after the holiday, for sure, and we all need to have a nice one) what is the answer that an admin gives to anyone wanting to change the functionality of a template that is more than a decade old? I guess that a good admin, a "de-escalating" admin (allow me an eye roll at the Escalating AI bot admin found mostly at wikidata and maybe a kick or two at whatever device that is powering them) would patiently explain that "scan page" link only promises to link to within the Page: and within Main and that more than that would break decades of use in other works.

I like the way the tables of contents can display on the Index: page and the links work to go right to the scan page (Page:) where the chapters start. That is the page link that the name "scan page link" promises. It doesn't mean the #anchor page. Please think on this after your holiday.

We both deserve a good one!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 11:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:DJVU_page_link_2 --RaboKarbakian (talk) 11:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to you too!

I am open to believe that your changes may improve the template as discussed at User talk:Uzume#scan page link 2, although I am not sure whether I would be able to help you with it in some ways, both because of my low technical skills and a lack of time (among others I am very busy with patrolling as there are only few people dedicating their time to that). An admin who is good in template design is e.g. User:CalendulaAsteraceae. I stepped into the discussion only because I had noticed that the changes had broken some pages, and reverting the changes was the quickest solution for that time being. It was not meant to discourage you from the template improvement. With such a widely used template it might also be a good idea to prepare the changes in some testing page first and ask some other experienced and techy editors to check it. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 12:28, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

I was simply returning it to its original functionality (and you can see those links in "what links here"; admins should know to look there). Adding the page at the end of the link broke it. It was working this Septemeber (2024) when I used it in the patents. The history does not reflect the changes since then. For years and years and years it did not put the page number at the end of the link. That is a silly thing that should not have ever happened.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 12:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

OK, so can you write the code of the template that you think should work well to some test or sandbox subpage so that it can be reviewed and discussed? --Jan Kameníček (talk) 13:01, 24 December 2024 (UTC)