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Again, welcome! Beeswaxcandle (talk) 17:15, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Typos in the original text
[edit]In response to your question about wrong words in the print version: we leave them as is, but mark them with one of two templates. {{SIC}} creates a tool-tip that indicates to the reader that the word is wrong. {{sic}} is placed after the word and is a silent marker for future editors. It's up to you which you use on a particular work, we just ask that you be consistent. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 17:15, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
History of Oregon
[edit]Hi, I want to thank you for your efforts with History of Oregon (Bancroft). I think this is a tremendously important work, not as well remembered or understood as it should be by those interested in the Pacific Northwest. It's also a pretty tough one to transcribe...the extensive footnotes that give it so much value are also a pain to deal with! So another set of careful eyes on it is most welcome. I hope you continue to work on it, and regardless, I'm really glad for the effort you've already made. -Pete (talk) 18:22, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
- I appreciate your continued efforts. One nice Wikisource feature you might not be aware of -- not too well documented, that I know of -- are the many useful user scripts that can clean up common issues on pages. ("clean up and lines" is my favorite...it will eliminate extra line breaks, taking care of straightforward hyphenation in the process.) You can look at the scripts I have installed here: User:Peteforsyth/common.js and to install them yourself, just copy them to User:Ernst76/common.js. Once installed (you may have to log out and back in), you will see new links in the lefthand menu, under the "Tools" heading and the "TemplateScript" heading. Hope this is helpful! -Pete (talk) 22:12, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
div and span
[edit]Hi. Please pay attention to properly nest <div>-based and <span>-based templates. Otherwise a lint error will be flagged, see misc-tidy-replacement-issues. See e.g. this. I am trying to lean the backlog. Thanks. Mpaa (talk) 21:18, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- I hope my interjection is not unwelcome - this is a topic I've been curious about. I've mostly been learning, in a very inexact way, through trial-and-error...trying not to repeat coding patterns that get reverted with an edit summary that talks about "lint errors." @Mpaa: Are best practices of how to use the relevant templates documented somewhere, in a way that a non-HTML expert like myself can absorb? If not, I'd be happy to work with you (or somebody else with better technical understanding than myself) to create that documentation. I think it would help prevent the backlog from growing as you try to chip away at it :) -Pete (talk) 21:28, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Hi. No, there is not much. Templates have a warning, either {{Span-based-template}} or {{Div-based-template}}. The errors are documented at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Linter. Then there is a useful tool at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PerfektesChaos/js/lintHint. It would be very nice if some more details could be added in plain English in some basic Help page. Mpaa (talk) 21:48, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Mpaa: OK, so the main concern is, "do not put div-based (aka "block based") templates inside of span-based templates, but the other way around is fine" -- is that right? If so, I'll put on my documentation thinking cap, and see where I can most usefully insert that into the help pages, and then mention it on the Scriptorium. -Pete (talk) 22:43, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, please note that this covers one subset. Also including a <poem></poem> block in span-based templates is wrong, and then also using "block based" wherever a span-based is expected, e.g. inside {{float right}}, typical case being {{float right|{{c|abc<br />xyz}}}} or {{smaller|{{rh|1|abc|2}}}} or inside {{Img float}}, and we could go on ... but this is already a lot of cases.Mpaa (talk) 23:29, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Mpaa: OK, so the main concern is, "do not put div-based (aka "block based") templates inside of span-based templates, but the other way around is fine" -- is that right? If so, I'll put on my documentation thinking cap, and see where I can most usefully insert that into the help pages, and then mention it on the Scriptorium. -Pete (talk) 22:43, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Hi. No, there is not much. Templates have a warning, either {{Span-based-template}} or {{Div-based-template}}. The errors are documented at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Linter. Then there is a useful tool at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PerfektesChaos/js/lintHint. It would be very nice if some more details could be added in plain English in some basic Help page. Mpaa (talk) 21:48, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
It was the software's fault? :-)
[edit]On page 55 of History of Oregon volume 1 you'd changed the status to problematic and left a note about strange error messages, due to the continued reference and use of {{hws}} and {{hwe}} within the reference. I'd just now tried a change that didn't work any better, and so reverted to your version. I figured I'd ask for help at Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help, but of course scanned the current questions there.
At Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help#Misbehaving footnote there's a note from about the same timeframe that seems to describe something similar. Reading the linked discussion at Wikisource:Scriptorium#New error messages for the attribute “follow” makes my head hurt, but check in at Wikisource:Scriptorium#Update 7 February.
My fix attempts then reverts apparently flushed the old cached version of the page, and now everything looks great, just the way you left it. So I've changed the status to proofread. It was the software that was confused! Shenme (talk) 04:17, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
History of Oregon - paragraph spacing
[edit]Hi, I was pleased to wake up to a nice string of validated pages in the History of Oregon (Bancroft). I looked at one, and noticed you had removed a double paragraph break: special:Diff/10097002 These double breaks are pretty common in this book, making a subtle section break within a chapter. Please keep an eye out for them as you work on these pages. Thanks! -Pete (talk) 17:45, 18 April 2020 (UTC)