User talk:Jonkerz
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I see you added a source in the edit history, very helpful. You might add the url, or the identifier in the {{gutenberg}} template, to the talk page. The {{Author}} template can be used to create the redlink in the author namespace. Regards, Cygnis insignis (talk) 18:16, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks =) I've added the {{gutenberg}} template, Jonkerz (talk) 01:44, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
- An interesting area of literature. Related texts probably exist as scans, we have a method of transcribing those too. I see you got the author page set up, other things may be puzzling at first - let someone know if you get stuck. Cygnis insignis (talk) 19:37, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
- Interesting and bizarre, since the book is an antithesis to Uncle Tom's Cabin, not exactly what you normally would expect. Thank you again for the warm welcoming, now I've uploaded a non-watermarked .djvu to Commons, and created an index, Index:Aunt Phillis's Cabin.djvu. One more question though, how does the match and split function work? Feel free to point me at proper help page if you ain't got time to answer. This is what I've done so far: followed the list at Help:Match and split 1) setting turned on, 2) identified first page with matching text as page 12 in the .djvu file (Preface), 3) placed
==__MATCH__:Page:Aunt Phillis's Cabin.djvu/12==in the main namespace at Aunt Phillis's Cabin/Preface, 4) clicked active link __MATCH__ and received a JavaScript alert saying "error". Note that the text is not copied from Google Books (full of OCR errors), but from PG. Thanks again, jonkerz♠ 23:53, 30 May 2010 (UTC)- I think you did everything right, the problem is there's nothing to 'match': the text layer was absent, the OCR in the djvu file usually appears when you edit the Page: namespace. One option is add the text layer, but I would upload the this copy (Univ. Calif. Lib.) and overwrite this file. Have a go at match and split, it's a cool tool, but check that the editions match and be aware that there will be changes and errors in the Gutenberg text. I reckon it quicker and easier to find the machine errors of ocr, they are predictable and obvious, but the tool does give the process of improving the text a big head start. Hope to see you around, Cygnis insignis (talk) 08:02, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
- Oh, that's why it didn't work, I must have missed that somehow. I'll take your advice and give the Univ. Calif. Lib. scan a try. Also, I'll try to not bother you more than I've already done ;) Cheers, jonkerz♠ 03:15, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
- I think you did everything right, the problem is there's nothing to 'match': the text layer was absent, the OCR in the djvu file usually appears when you edit the Page: namespace. One option is add the text layer, but I would upload the this copy (Univ. Calif. Lib.) and overwrite this file. Have a go at match and split, it's a cool tool, but check that the editions match and be aware that there will be changes and errors in the Gutenberg text. I reckon it quicker and easier to find the machine errors of ocr, they are predictable and obvious, but the tool does give the process of improving the text a big head start. Hope to see you around, Cygnis insignis (talk) 08:02, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
- Interesting and bizarre, since the book is an antithesis to Uncle Tom's Cabin, not exactly what you normally would expect. Thank you again for the warm welcoming, now I've uploaded a non-watermarked .djvu to Commons, and created an index, Index:Aunt Phillis's Cabin.djvu. One more question though, how does the match and split function work? Feel free to point me at proper help page if you ain't got time to answer. This is what I've done so far: followed the list at Help:Match and split 1) setting turned on, 2) identified first page with matching text as page 12 in the .djvu file (Preface), 3) placed
- An interesting area of literature. Related texts probably exist as scans, we have a method of transcribing those too. I see you got the author page set up, other things may be puzzling at first - let someone know if you get stuck. Cygnis insignis (talk) 19:37, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Progressing the status in Page: namespace
[edit]Gday. Enjoying working in the Page: namespace. If you feel that you have proofread the work, do feel that you can progress the work to Proofread (amber radio button). This will then make the Validated (green radio button) available for the next proofreader. There are plenty of helpful people around so please don't hesitate to ask questions at Scriptorium and we will try to support you into some of our quirks. 
PS. We like helping, and it is not a bother to any of us.
also, I will paste my little bit of text about the header/footer …
The mysterious Header toggle button
[edit]When proofreading in the Page: namespace and one has their toolbar turned on [Gadgets | Editing (tab) | Editing toolbar (checkbox)], one will see the button 
, and clicking it toggles the header/footer on and off. In this space we put the relevant components for top and bottoms of pages by use of the template {{RunningHeader}}, so for example {{RunningHeader|Stanhope|3|Stanhope}} produces
Stanhope 3 Stanhope |
I personally have my header/footer set to open in the Page: namespace and I achieved this by activating that option in my Gadgets. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:08, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
- Wow, I was looking for that very feature when you posted the message. It was so well hidden that I didn't get any wiser no matter how many links I followed from Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:RunningHeader, thanks ;)
- Regarding proofreading I'm still not certain how closely a page must resemble the original. Is it mainly about the text, and not as much about formatting? Because adding all those {{hw}} and so on is quite time consuming to say the least. Well, I got tons of more questions, I'll try to stack them for the future and start with an important one: is it possible to bot/script the adding of the RunningHeader template? The left and right running headers in the book I'm currently working are not the same, but that is probably not a problem for a bot if there is any. Thanks, jonkerz♠ 08:48, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
- Wait, you do not need to reply here, I'll copy the questions the Scriptorium after my exam tomorrow. There are probably more watchers there. jonkerz♠ 09:29, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
- {{hw}}??? I hate the template, I don't use it, and if it is a shared work, I usually remove its butt-ugliness from the work (not that I have an opinion), cf. {{hws}} and {{hwe}} which are very useful.The text/image is king. It is the work as it is presented with paragraphs, em dashes, chapters, etc. The remainder is typesetting, and such is secondary, though some of us work on similarity of production, though not to the point of distraction.Yes we can bot headers, either just the framework, or occasionally we have done all the components of the pages of the work, though we cannot when the page is yet to be created. Some of also have scripts setup up in our monobook.js files that allow some of those things to be done more easily.Best of luck with the exam.— billinghurst sDrewth 12:09, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
- Hate is a strong word, but I sure hate the {{hw}} template too ;) I thought they needed to be included before marking a page as proofread, phew. Well, then I'll continue with the slave labor more happily than ever ;) cheers, jonkerz♠ 05:40, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- {{hw}}??? I hate the template, I don't use it, and if it is a shared work, I usually remove its butt-ugliness from the work (not that I have an opinion), cf. {{hws}} and {{hwe}} which are very useful.The text/image is king. It is the work as it is presented with paragraphs, em dashes, chapters, etc. The remainder is typesetting, and such is secondary, though some of us work on similarity of production, though not to the point of distraction.Yes we can bot headers, either just the framework, or occasionally we have done all the components of the pages of the work, though we cannot when the page is yet to be created. Some of also have scripts setup up in our monobook.js files that allow some of those things to be done more easily.Best of luck with the exam.— billinghurst sDrewth 12:09, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
- Wait, you do not need to reply here, I'll copy the questions the Scriptorium after my exam tomorrow. There are probably more watchers there. jonkerz♠ 09:29, 1 June 2010 (UTC)