User talk:PWidergren

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Again, welcome! Inductiveload—talk/contribs 14:08, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Nibelungenlied

I've fixed the linking problems by setting everything to Nibelungenlied as the base page for now. However, the entire work will need to be moved, since that page is needed for disambiguation of the (at least) two different translations we now have. I may wait until you've finished the transcription before asking someone with a bot to make that move. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:16, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

I've gone ahead with the move, since it looked as though you'd stopped for the day, and the move would not interfere with your work. All pages and links should now be corrected to the new basepage. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:36, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Makes sense to me. Thanks for your help. PWidergren (talk) 12:29, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for all your work on this text and others in that long-neglected set of literature here on Wikisource. We don't have nearly enough of the medieval Germanic and Scandinavian literature. If I set up an Index for Kirby's translation of the Kalevala, would that also interest you? --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:33, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I hesitate only because I see the Kirby and Martin translation already available on Project Gutenberg.

I see that that the Martin translation is on Wikisource but unsourced. If the work has become out of date or is

largely incomplete and neglected, but I would rather not compete with Project Gutenberg by simply adding a Wikisource

version of the same thing. But in general, yes, I am interested in proofreading interesting books, and unlike the Nibelungenlied which

I first read in German and Middle High German over forty years ago, I have actually never dealt with or read the Kalevala in any language.

Now I do not see the following on Project Gutenberg. There is nothing there in English by this man, one of Germany's greatest medieval poets.

Author:Walther von der Vogelweide

Selected poems of Walther von der Vogelweide : the minnesinger

https://archive.org/details/cu31924026163273/mode/2up

Something like that might be more my preference, when I have finished what I am currently working on. However, if you believe it is worth the effort

of putting the Kirby translation on Wikisource, let me know. I am retired and can be flexible.

PWidergren (talk) 23:14, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

When an edition/translation is particularly good, I always think we should have it here. Some of the texts at PG contain flaws, and there is no easy way to check for any errors. Yes, we have the Martin translation, and it was probably imported from PG, and will at some point need to be backed by a scan, but it's a second-hand translation from the German anyway. The Kirby translation does a better job with the poetry, and is still an excellent translation for that reason, even today. I recommend it to people wanting to read the Kalevala. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:39, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Ok, sure. If you set up an index and show me how you think it should look like you did with the Nibelungenlied, then I would be willing to proceed in the same manner. I still have quite a few things I could learn about formatting templates. Much of my work on Wikisource has been on the Swedish Wikisource, where templates are not as well developed. For example, I see there is a template called pline for line numbering, but have never used it, but I should think that one might need it use it for the translation in question.

PWidergren (talk) 00:34, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I've been proofreading a play on the Slovenian Wikisource, and they didn't even have equivalents for {{center}} or {{nop}}, so I completely understand. I learned what I know by collaborating on the monthly proofreads, helping other folks, and generally just diving in. {{pline}} is very easy to use. Since the Kalevala has been one of the key works we've been missing, and you're willing, I'll set up an Index for you. I really prefer Kirby's translation over many recent translations, because it is more poetic. Few modern translators have a sense of English poetry sufficient for the task. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:51, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Kalevala

I've set up Index:Kalevala (Kirby 1907) v1.djvu. The process I use to proofread poetical works amounts to:

1. fix the header text
2. remove any extraneous blank lines, and collapse any lines that wrap to the same line
3. remove stray spaces at the ends of lines
4. check the end-of-line punctuation, since OCR of poetry often turns commas into periods at the ends of lines
5. proofread the text
6. paste {{pline|0|r}} everywhere there are line numbers, and edit the number. I keep a separate text document open and copy-paste, rather than typing it from scratch every time
7. add {{em|1}} to the front of every indented line
8. add <br /> to the end of every line

--EncycloPetey (talk) 03:39, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

On it. Any suggestions about how to best handle the end notes?

PWidergren (talk) 12:42, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

We have a method for End Notes, but it's been so long, I'll have to find it again. We could just do them as text, without linking. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:30, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I have been looking at what you have done on the Introduction and from now, I will start using “ ” and ’ instead of " " and ', as this is my preference anyway. Thanks for your help and I appreciate that I can enjoy "autopatrolled" status.

PWidergren (talk) 22:47, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for completing the two volumes. This is a terrific addition to Wikisource. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:26, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

You are very welcome.

PWidergren (talk) 18:53, 3 March 2024 (UTC)