User talk:RaboKarbakian/Archives/2020

Disambiguation pages

Unlike other listing pages, disambiguation pages are for works that share the same title, not the same topic or subject. Works appearing on a disambiguation page should have the same title, or the same primary title, or bear a shortened title that is the same as all the other works. A work with an entirely different title, would not be listed on such a disambiguation page. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:01, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Covered at Help:Disambiguation. Categories would usually be utilised for subject/topic matter, though if curation is required, then a portal: ns page can be used. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:19, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

So, it would help if after undoing a mistake, that you complete the task and put the link in the correct place. Then I learn and understand, without that, I guess.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:26, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Author page; and if there is a pertinent portal page, there too. The main namespace is for works, not a listing page unless we are having to disambiguate (refer previous above link). — billinghurst sDrewth 10:41, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

There isn't a correct place to put the links. There would have to be another work with the same title to share a disambiguation page, and I don't know of any. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:59, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Letters of Mary, Queen of Scots

I’m glad to see you back editing again! Quick question—which edition of her Letters do you want to proofread; the 1842–1843 edition (3 vols.) or the 1844 edition (2 vols.)? The first volume of the three and the latter pair have been uploaded. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 21:25, 11 June 2020 (UTC).

Three things. I wanted to try IA uploader with this device and I had some questions for Xover. That's one. I am trying to rebuild my computer and that is being a challenge so no promises for when. That's the second. Third, I pasted a wrong link. I was interested in The Lives of the Queens of England which was kind of an accountants telling of history. And the originals for that had text lost in the creases (that's where the wrong link came from).

I don't know the books I caused to be uploaded. My device is just not big enough for proofing. Even this message is a greater challenge than it is worth. --RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:41, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Bulk moves

Hi. Generally we would request that if bulk moves of a work and its subpages are required that you ask an admin, as they can do the all in one fell swoop, and not have to clean up redirects of subpages. Thanks. 23:27, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Ivanhoe for young readers is not disambiguation

Hi. We would not normally disambiguate a work as you have done. If it is not called "Ivanhoe" in any normal sense, then it is not a disambiguation, it is just a like name. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:45, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Help:Disambiguation — billinghurst sDrewth 04:46, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

@Billinghurst:I went through this with EPetey about Shakespeare and Canterbury Tales, etc. Charles Lambs version of Cymbeline (for example) caused a disambiguation.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 04:53, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation is for where works are of the same name, or they are abbreviated in common usage to the same name, it is not for works that have the word or similar names; and this mirrors enWP's approach. If we have broader approach we are going to be dead in the water. For the interpretative work of Ivanhoe, I see that would belong in the WORKS ABOUT section of Ivanhoe's author, and you may consider something in the notes field if it is truly notable in its own sense.

I see Cymbeline as a page disambiguated for other reasons. I don't know enough of how people refer to Shakespeare's original so cannot comment whether it belongs on the page or not. "Canterbury Tales" is redirect to a versions page, so that is different again, that comes back to a base work with whichever names exist. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:01, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: I feel like I promised to take care of it after Inductive moved it but now I don't have to worry about it. I'd rather get back to Irving. Meanwhile, Author:Richard Clyde Ford -- are you sure all that Malay stuff is right? --RaboKarbakian (talk) 02:09, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

First listed RCF-work gives place of work which seems to align with some of the data for RCF, so it looks okay at first glance. What are you seeing that makes you doubt that allocation. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:44, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: open library has not decided about this author [1] but nothing about Malay. My university has a building named after him. Malay seems very far away from early 1900s Michigan especially for that to be the only thing here. Yesterday was EMU day for me. I found photographs of my campus before the water tower (1910) and the observatory (1913 iirc). I had no idea who those buildings were named for! So, this Malay naggle is atop all of that discovery. The international dorm, in my 8 months there, many Asian countries were represented there -- but not Malay! Which I know means nothing but it is a naggle.

I have been at war with a software with a similar name and grow weary and begin to hate deception and my species; a species I generally used to like. So thats there too. Thanks for asking!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:55, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

VIAF search indicates speciality in German. Popular Science Monthly/Volume 54/April 1899/The Malay Language says professor of German at Albion College (Michigan). LOC indicates at both Albion College and Michigan State] So without evidence to the contrary it looks fine. — billinghurst sDrewth 16:06, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: Michigan State Normal College which is now Eastern Michigan University. What is now Michigan State University used to be some variation of Michigan State Agriculture. Normal was for teachers back then. --RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:19, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Handbook of style formatting

You’re right, {{multicol}} does look better; I’ll switch over the following pages. The work looked quite interesting (and not particularly long), so I decided to do some work. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 21:46, 9 December 2020 (UTC).

@TE(æ)A,ea.: It was also a pain to move the columns into a different order, so there are reasons other than appearance. Having the text list in its real order was the reason (according to my w3c spies) for making the html4 tables into xhtml divs. And truly, if you ever want a list of perfectly abbrev.'d books of the bible, there they are. I am sorry about the extra moving things around. I will do it if you don't want to. --RaboKarbakian (talk) 00:28, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

For these cases, “real order” definitely matters (it doesn’t always, and sometimes a table is more appropriate). I tend to use tables exclusively, but the template is definitely preferable here. I have made the changes (except for the list of state abbreviations on p. 5, for which I used {{plainlist}}). TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 01:11, 10 December 2020 (UTC).

(paraphrased) "Tables are for information that occurs in tabular format", ie. the table 'Trees in forests' with the forest names for the rows and tree names for the columns and number of trees filling the table. html4 could have called them "stables", however, and mobile devices would have to just deal with it. I really miss html4. Free webspace. Visitor counters (even when they didn't have anything to count), etc., etc. I violate the w3c guidlines also. html5 has a <column /> tag....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 11:25, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

I do enjoy coming across the occasional older Web-site in that style. The Web is in a worse position now—or, at least, it certainly looks worse. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 14:20, 10 December 2020 (UTC).

Re:Publisher marks.

I’ve just found the following list of Publisher marks, which you may find helpful. User:Rochefoucauld/Publishing Companies/Publishing marks --kathleen wright5 (talk) 05:09, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

@Kathleen.wright5: You may also be interested in c:Category:Logos of publishing houses and its subcategory c:Category:Printer's marks. If anyone is interested in printers' marks and publishing houses there is a good deal of work needed to systematise and organise these categories on Commons, and in the Portal: namespace here (cf. eg. Portal:Harper & Brothers). And such work would be useful for others when trying to track down a mark or identify a publisher, or making works discoverable through other axis. --Xover (talk) 09:06, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

This started with me complementing the craftmanship of the restoration of a particular mark. I see in that cat an svgized mark, whose beauty outshines all of the jpg and png there. Wikidata is really lacking for Publishers and Print houses also. I dislike linking to a person as publisher. A three wiki clean up sounds like great fun! but not on this 7x4 inch touchscreen. There have already been complaints about typos that I can't see me making and my kbd has multiple personalities (configurations) which are making my visible problems (mistakes) worse.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:06, 19 December 2020 (UTC)