Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2008

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A suggestion

Author:Augustus John Cuthbert Hare has about 30 works that could be added. I have sources for all but one, so I think this would be a good opportunity for collaboration. Psychless 04:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Since this suggestion fits with Z's beneath, let's do it this week and hopefully cross-list the works at a "Travel" index. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Sabine Baring-Gould} 21:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Marx

Author:Karl Marx could use some definite work. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Aeschylus} 23:36, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Agree. Just finished including all of Aeschylus works, although more English translations and formatting of text are required, but perhaps it's just about time we move to the next candidate. - Mtmelendez 18:17, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

There is a great free source collection at [[1]] that has most of his (popular) works avalible. we could move the artlces and fill out those red spaces on his page.Coffeepusher 22:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

GUess we'll go Marx, then cookbooks, then hopefully we'll have a presidential nominee? Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Aeschylus} 00:39, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Nominations sealed

Alright, shall we plan on making June 9th mark the beginning of a McCain/Obama double-bill CotW collecting their speeches and works? Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Søren Kierkegaard} 03:22, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Tesla

We only done one inventor so far: Author:Alfred Nobel. Time for another one? Tesla will be easier as Wikipedia has a w:List of Tesla patents. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 06:46, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

I like this idea. Cirt (talk) 15:56, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Nostradamus

Just if there's any interest? Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: e. e. cummings‎'.} 22:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good! John Vandenberg ^(chat) 22:06, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Current list of supported authors

• Author:Maurice Ravel, January 2008

This week

w:Søren Kierkegaard, w:Pervical Lowell, w:Ibn Arabi (another Sufi so soon?!), w:Arthur Schopenhauer and w:Ovid all have zero works on WS.Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Abu Hamid al-Ghazālī} 17:40, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Author:Ovid would be a good choice in light of some of our recently joined users. We probably want to delay it a few weeks so they have time to find the resources and get ready for it. John Vandenberg 04:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Done Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Wikisource:Sheet music} 22:47, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Confucianism

Confucius is rather bare, considering how many translations have been made through the ages. Wikisource:Confucianism doesnt exist. A great place to start would be to collate and compare what we do have against the four volumes on by Author:James Legge in Sacred Books of the East, and work on completing the rest. Perhaps we could make Legge the first translator to be a collaboration project? John Vandenberg ^(chat) 17:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Possibles for slow weeks

• Author:Thomas Wyatt (1503–1542), British poet in the service of Author:Henry VIII.
• w:Isaac Brock, General who led British-Canadian forces during the w:War of 1812, there's a "bit" of his stuff online, though we could bring ourselves to the forefront, collecting it all. Also found some offline sources I'd be willing to parse for it if necessary.

Author:Isaac Brock - an person relating to Canada would be good. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 14:04, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Australians

A few high profile authors relating to Australia that can be expanded:

• Author:James Cook (1728–1779), explorer
• Author:Joseph Banks (1743–1820), botanist
• Author:Banjo Paterson (1864–1941), poet [2][3]
• Author:Henry Lawson (1867–1922), poet
• Author:C. J. Dennis well developed now Cygnis insignis (talk) 11:58, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
• Author:Adam Lindsay Gordon, poet

John Vandenberg 03:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Nice selection, I think Cook seems like the most obvious choice if we're trying to keep COTW as "famous people from whom we're ashamed to not have more works", you happen to know if anything exists other than his diary/memoir however? If you can find evidence that there's some letters or newspaper articles (&c, &c) out there, even if they're not online - just that they exist, then I fully support making him next week's COTW. Any other opinions/thoughts? —unsigned comment by Sherurcij (talk) 02:13, 15 August 2007.

For works by Cook written in his lifetime, Google Books has a few, with A voyage towards the north pole: undertaken by His Majesty's command... being full view. worldcat shows others with the same criteria. archive.org has a number of works about Cook, as does Google Full View Books. And letters are easy to locate [4] [5][6] [7][8], but I wouldnt know where to look for newspaper articles from that era. As Banks and Cook are closely related subjects, picking Cook will give us material for the Banks author page. John Vandenberg 05:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Alright, assuming there are no complaints, we'll use Cook then on the 20th. Lawson already has "enough" existing articles so as not to be shameful, and I'm not sure if the other two reach the same sort of "fame" as Cook...who names their kid "Banjo" anyhow? :P Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Henry Ford} 09:26, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

We have picked one Brit who ventured across the seas, but nary a one who stayed! It is time for an Australian! w:Adam Lindsay Gordon is currently missing here. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 07:29, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

• Author:William Bragg (1862–1942) 1915 Nobel Prize for Mathematics.

Author-PD-none

As we have now approved the {{Author-PD-none}} proposal, it would be nice if we could focus on one of these author pages in order to use it as a poster child. If we can do one page worth ranting about in the next few weeks, we can mention it in our announcement of the change of English Wikisource scope. John Vandenberg 04:10, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

en.ws is changing its scope? Could you point me to the discussion about that, as I'd like to read up on it so that I know what's (sort of) going on? Thanks.—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 00:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

WS:S#Author-PD-none John Vandenberg 01:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I see. Thanks.—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 01:31, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion

Would you consider a category? Like Category:1899 works, Category:Collections of essays, Category:History of the United States, or something similar? —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 00:27, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Do you know of an easy way of finding works by publication date? I'd definitely support something like "Collections of essays" or "History of the United States" (I at least have numerous resources at hand for these sorts of things). In general, though, I think this would be a great idea.—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 01:10, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

It is difficult to track the collaboration results on a category. That said, we could create a topical index for "Collections of essays" and "History of the United States". My preference would be for the latter, as it is very easy to find works that fit into that LCC. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 04:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I love using the category structure as much as possible, but you're right, a before-and-after listing would be hard. A few other good suggestions of important authors that need work: Author:Victor Hugo, Author:D. H. Lawrence, Author:Honoré de Balzac, and (oh my god) Author:Aeschylus. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 04:17, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Hugo and Lawrence already have a few works - and wow, I honestly thought we'd already done Balzac, can't believe we haven't. He and Aeschylus both make sense to me. I think categories would be too difficult, but something like "History of the United States" could easily become an index, and thus featured. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Sabine Baring-Gould} 04:21, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

And I've just discovered Author:Sheridan Le Fanu, too, and wow! I'd nominate him, but I'm afraid his page may not be stubby enough by the time I'm done with him. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 18:06, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Per Q's suggestions, first person to choose between Author:Honoré de Balzac, and Author:Aeschylus wins. Which would be better for this week? Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Augustus John Cuthbert Hare} 19:56, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I saw go for de Balzac. :D —Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 20:03, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Another possibility

I suggest at some point, if anyone's looking for another possibility for CotW other than adding the works of an individual person, that we add travel books. The Library of Congress has a massive collection of these books and I find them quite interesting.—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 19:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I think "travel books", separate from any given author, would still be a good idea. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 18:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

World War I poetry

I have been working on World War I poetry and could use some help. Danny 19:31, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Notices

I added this note to the English Wikipedia. This would probably be a good idea in the future. Who knows, it might drag more Wikipedians in. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 18:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Ha! I should learn to read above before I leap. I've now switched the notice to use the nifty template. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 18:54, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Clinton

If we make a significant start to collate these documents, it seems likely that there will be many hands arriving to finish the project. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 00:04, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm up for it, but 11,000 is huge! - Mtmelendez 13:31, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

It should keep us busy :-) Glad to hear you are keen. It might be a week or two before we start on this project. Lets get the ground work in order, and promote the collaboration project. If we get one or two more people interested, it will start sooner rather than latter. This is the archives.gov press release, and here are the actual documents in PDF format. To prepare for the project, we need to obtained those PDF files, convert them to DJVU files using Any2DjVu, and upload them to the Wikimedia Commons project. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 14:20, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'll try out a few uploads to get the hang of it. I just finished the GWB radio addresses, so I'll dedicate some time to these new documents. - Mtmelendez 14:52, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Would it make more sense to see who the US Democratic nominee is first, then plan on using CotW to get both the Republican and Democrat nominee's texts listed? I'd hate to turn down Obama in a few weeks "because we just had Bush and Hillary", etc. I think I'd rather say "Let's make a plan to feature either Obama or Clinton, whichever one wins the nomination, the week they are announced". We can either do McCain the following week, or we could try to do both in one week. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Aeschylus} 22:50, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

While we wait for the US Democratic nominee to be decided, we could focus on Author:John McCain, who is presumptive nominee for the Republicans. We only have four of his speeches. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 03:42, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Seneca

I am nominating Seneca the Younger for a 'Collaboration Week' candidate, forasmuch as his page is scant in works and rather deprived of sufficient formatting (save, On the Shortness of Life, which is commendable). -- Grammaticus 13:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Nice find, but we just did Aeschylus a week ago. I'd argue for more diverse selection, although we may return to ancient authors in a few weeks. - Mtmelendez 03:04, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

John Masefield

I would like to nominate John Masefield. He is a widely anthologised poet, and was the British Poet Laureate, yet he only has three poems on here.--Cato 19:01, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

As Cato presumably knows, I'm a great fan of John Masefield and uploaded two of his three poems here. But we've had plenty of British authors.--Poetlister 12:40, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Japanese literature

Wikisource:Japan and Category:Works originally in Japanese are virtually empty. We could either tackle this by finding an Japanese author whose works have been translated, taking a religious angle and working on Wikisource:Shinto, or by using Wikisource:Japan as the focal point of a CotW. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 17:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Schedule

So if we're to get a Canadian in, can I suggest the following schedule for the next couple weeks?

• Author:William Lyon Mackenzie King to get a Canadian in, and one who took political advice from his dead cat while ruling the country, nonetheless.
• Either Wikisource:Confucianism or Wikisource:Shinto, personally I'd prefer the former since I think there are more "scriptural" works out there.
• Author:Percival Lowell
• Author:John Masefield
• Author:Seneca
• Author:Søren Kierkegaard
• Author:Hafez (possibly)

It'll give us a nice mix of politicians, poets, psychologists, theologists and such, as well as a smattering of nationalisties. Also, once the US Democratic candidate is chosen, we'll do a week where we concentrate on the two US presidential candidates so we're doing our civic duty to keep the world informed! :) Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Cookbooks} 20:29, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Yay to Percival Lowell. I wrote the Wikiquote article.--Poetlister 21:41, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

If you are seeking for another prospective candidate, I would certainly suggest John Dryden. -- Grammaticus 15:22, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

No objection, though I'd give him lower priority than Masefield.--Poetlister 16:38, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Masfield may be PD in the US, but it certainly isn't in the UK, Yet... ShakespeareFan00 10:43, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

What about some of the older English Poets, like for example Coleridge? ShakespeareFan00 10:43, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I thought we abided by American copyright law here. Nobody's objected to the poems we have so far (all published well before 1923). Yes, there are lots of older poets to be done.--Poetlister 21:46, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Author:Samuel Taylor Coleridge is reasonably well covered, although it did, and probably still does, neglect to mention a few of his important works. The point is that this doesnt appear to be an area where significant growth can be achieved by working on it as a group. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 22:45, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm working on Coleridge.--Poetlister 12:55, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Poets are generally good because it only takes ten minutes to find and add a poem, but as Jay said, we should focus on poets where we don't currently have more than two or three works. And if we can find a non-American, non-British, non-Australian, non-Russian poet, even better! Go find a Rhodesian poet with Public Domain translations! ;) Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: William Lyon Mackenzie King} 00:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

ANy votes on whether to go with Wikisource:Confucianism or Wikisource:Shinto tomorrow? Personally I think the former, as I think it will yield more "writings of...", rather than "scholarly analyses". Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: William Lyon Mackenzie King} 20:27, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikisource:Confucianism is the easier of the two. I'm not sold on Shinto for a topic; I think we should coordinate with ja.ws before selecting which angle to take in order to increase our coverage Japanese literature. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 21:22, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Sherucij, perhaps Hafez would be an agreeable candidate for non-Anglo, &c. poesy? For it appears that this celebrated poet is even yet to have an article bestowed. I am certain that a number of translations, many predating the twentieth century (particularly, the Divan), are extant in the English tongue. To wit, there is a certain translation by one, H. Bicknell, about whom I know nothing; other than I own a translation by his hand (dating 1900). -- Grammaticus 17:11, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

We need more Arabs, less Persians - lol. But I agree, Hafez seems like a good choice for a non-Anglo author, better than Ibn Arabi (and we don't want two more Persian Sufis in such close following), so I'll replace Ibn Arabi on our schedule with Hafez, pending any other opinions or suggestions. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Wikisource:Confucianism} 17:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Rhodesian: Arthur Shearly Cripps, though there may be copyright issues.--Poetlister 20:28, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

So are there copyright concerns about Masefield? Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Percival Lowell} 20:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

If we go by the usual American rules, many of his poems (including the ones uploaded so far) were published before 1923 so should be OK. However, his later poetry and his novels and plays are presumably still in copyright. If we go by British rules, all of his work is still copyright as only he died about 40 years ago.--Poetlister 15:21, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Next

Was going to do Seneca, but saw Grammaticus had gone inactive over the summer. Now thinking something from Wikisource:Religious texts or Wikisource:Wars would be a nice choice - somebody want to choose a favourite under-represented war or religion? Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Davy Crockett} 23:52, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Definitely wars; WWI poetry especially, to help us participate in WS:S#Wiki_Campus_Radio_-_Nov_11th_-Armistice_Day. --John Vandenberg ^(chat) 01:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Author:John McCrae it is then! We can get up a bunch of his poems and letters, to supplement the wealth we have by Owen and Sassoon! :) Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Davy Crockett} 02:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Author:John Ruskin

Hello,

I would like to proposed John Ruskin, an English art critic and social critic, as well as an author, poet and artist. I already improved his page on Commons: commons:John Ruskin. ;o) Yann (talk) 16:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I do get to grumble that it's meant to improve the collections of people we have zero/few works from, not 19 :P Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:John McCrae} 05:14, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Proposed: Author:Harvey Milk

This will likely be on the en.wiki Main Page on 27 November 2008. Would be nice to have a cross-project collaboration effort. Cirt (talk) 19:07, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I assume his only works would be speeches, would there be some loophole that allows us to avoid the Coretta King controversy and undoubtedly say they are all public domain? He seems a bit recent. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: e. e. cummings‎.} 20:09, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Moni3 would know best, she worked on bringing the en.wiki article w:Harvey Milk to FA. Cirt (talk) 20:12, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I've never done anything like this on Wikisource. Not sure what to do or tell you. What would you like? You can leave me messages on my talk page on Wikipedia. - Moni3 --128.227.205.118 20:31, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll try to find some stuff doing a bit of my own research and check back here to see if it checks out for inclusion. But don't worry about it - it doesn't seem fodder for a big collaboration drive at this point. Cirt (talk) 03:09, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

It is a bit too late for us to be involved before the 27th. We would need a few weeks notice, to find sources and related texts, and verify copyright status. But, fill up the author page and its talk page with any works that might be of interest, and we'll slot it in if there is a sizeable amount of work ready to be tackled. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 06:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

No worries. Like I said, I will try to just slowly work on this one over time for now. Cirt (talk) 15:56, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Author:Joseph McCabe

This freethinker wrote, translated, and collaborated on hundreds of books, and we have one work he translated. There's about twenty or thirty proofread texts on the internet that could easily be copied over, and many more on archive.org. Psychless 20:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)