Wikisource talk:WikiProject Diary of Samuel Pepys/procedure

Punctuation and characters

Hi Greg. I much admire your procedures page. One point to might like to consider is Gutenberg's habit of putting 2 spaces after a full stop. This is old-fashioned typists' style, but it is not printers', and really ought to be one space only. I use Lotus Word Pro, and there is a formating tool which will make the change automatically. I am just now editing Smiles's Men of Invention and Industry, 1884. I find the Gutenberg is not always accurate in regard to paragraph breaks, comparing it with the original text, of which I have a copy. There are also dozens of -- which I am having to manually change to —, and the Find/Replace feature will only handle keyboard characters. Kind regards Tony Apwoolrich 21:05, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, I only put it up a short while ago! I agree that Gutenberg Texts (in their plain text form), don't always look pretty, and some of the meaning is lost when processed (which is a major issue IMHO). But certainly I have no issue adding that to the list. We may want to make an FAQ for all Gutenberg texts (and an FAQ for the site!)

It is possible to change -- for — in nearly all text editors. On Windows you can either copy the em dash character using the Character Map, or hold down ALT, type 0 1 5 1 on the numeric keypad, and release ALT. You can get most characters using these methods. Hope this helps. GregRobson 21:35, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Poetry, etc.

What should I do for poetry, etc. as far as formatting? (Specifically here) Thanks. --Think Fast 21:43, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

See the change I made, basically I indent the lines, putting the author further to the right than the poem. GregRobson 23:29, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks --Think Fast 01:25, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

What about poetry in the text itself? --Think Fast 16:55, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Do you have an example? I haven't come across any so far (although I haven't looked for it explicitly). GregRobson 17:44, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

December 31, 1662.

"By and by comes the King and Queen, the Duke and Duchess, and all the great ones: and after seating themselves, the King takes out the Duchess of York; and the Duke, the Duchess of Buckingham; the Duke of Monmouth, my Lady Castlemaine; and so other lords other ladies: and they danced the Bransle.

    "Branle.  Espece de danse de plusieurs personnes, qui se tiennent
    par la main, et qui se menent tour-a-tour. "Dictionnaire de
    l'Academie.  A country dance mentioned by Shakespeare and other
    dramatists under the form of brawl, which word continued to be used
    in the eighteenth century.

                   "My grave Lord Keeper led the brawls;
                   The seals and maces danced before him."
                                            Gray, 'A Long Story.'

After that, the King led a lady a single Coranto—[swift and lively]—and then the rest of the lords, one after another, other ladies very noble it was, and great pleasure to see."

This does seem to be a footnote by the editor, but it doesn't have brackets around it. --Think Fast 19:11, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm guessing like this:

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...Castlemaine; and so other lords other ladies: and they danced the Bransle.

"Branle. Espece de danse de plusieurs personnes, qui se tiennent par la main, et qui se menent tour-a-tour. "Dictionnaire de l'Academie. A country dance mentioned by Shakespeare and other dramatists under the form of brawl, which word continued to be used in the eighteenth century.

"My grave Lord Keeper led the brawls;

The seals and maces danced before him."

Gray, 'A Long Story.'

After that, the King led a la...

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The first part doesn't look the poetry (it runs to the fixed line width), the second part is poetry however, and breaks beforehand. Thanks for the excellent work by the way, the project moves much more swiftly with two people! GregRobson 19:38, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. --Think Fast 22:00, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Line breaks

I'm sorry to bother you again, but I'm having trouble with the line breaks. Currently, I am going through to each line, pressing delete until the next line comes up, and typing a space. Is there an easier way to do this? --Think Fast 15:52, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, in any text editor that supports regular expression search and replace (it should show up somewhere in the dialog box), tell it to swap:

• \n [which is a newline character] for...
• [a space, which is invisible here!]

I then work through highlighting from the mid-first line to the mid-last-line in each paragraph and do a "replace within selection". For the footnotes, I can use Shift+TAB to removed the indent on a highlighted section. My text editor is jEdit by the way. It has a good plugin that will highlight any wiki text in files with a .wkp extension. It makes spotting links/headings a little easier. GregRobson 19:30, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I downloaded jEdit and am using it for line breaks now. It works great and sure doesn't take as long! Thanks again. --Think Fast 21:54, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Sept. 1st

On September 1, 1663, the heading is "Sept. 1st". I can't get the "1" on the calendar to link to this date. Here is the link to that page. Does anyone know what is wrong? --Think Fast 23:01, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

I think it was something to do with a double space. I have changed it to the long form of "September 1st". GregRobson 08:51, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again! --Think Fast 15:37, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Obnoxious censorship

You may want to not somewhere that A: The transcriber of this version (Wheatly) was very Victorian in his sensibilities and wasn't afraid to redact stuff he disliked, and B: This version has comments from the second transcriber ("D.W.") included it it aswell. 68.39.174.238 03:10, 7 July 2006 (UTC)