Deposition of Ali Alexander, (Dec. 9, 2021)/12:16pm

[12:16 p.m.]

The Witness. And so, then I said, let's go. Me and Alex Jones make the decision, the executive decision that we are leaving the entire premises, we've abandoned our event. The police we wish would have given a dispersement order. We wish would have had barricades, we wish we this protection. None of our security is there. It was a failure of epic proportions. And I found myself, you know, just trying to deescalate and then trying to exit, because that's what I've been taught.

BY  

Q Right. And as you were moving from where the chairs were around to where you ended up on the stairs, you were with Mr. Jones during that time, walking with him?

A I believe so.

Q Right. And Mr. Shroyer was with you as well?

A I believe so. We were all in the same security bubble because we were really scared about ourselves getting hurt. It's like you don't know who is punching who or why they are punching people.

Q Right.

A A Honest to God, at this moment, I'm not thinking it's the stop the certification, that is contrary to our purposes. We are winning our political purpose. Even if we lose, we are winning our political purpose. And we were going to primary bad Republicans, including twoA

Q I'm just asking—

A Well, I really want to answer this.

Q The answer is who you are with and as you are walking?

A Can I answer the question?

Q I'm not trying to be combative. I am just trying to figure out some moves, and that's it. You can get in more as we speak, we are just trying to move this along.

A Yeah.

Q And so, and Shroyer, for the record, is S-h-r-o-y-e-r. And so as you're moving along with Mr. Jones and Mr. Shroyer along the side of the Capitol where you end up, there are times when you come in contact with Capitol police officers or Mr. Jones does. Is that right?

A We collectively did.

Q Right. Okay.

And did you hear Mr. Jones tell the police officers that President Trump was coming?

A I don't recall that, but that totally could have happened.

Q Do you recall when you were on top of the chairs when Mr. Jones had a megaphone, or a bullhorn, whatever you call it, do you remember that?

A Do I remember being there? Yes. I've described that event.

Q I understand you did. Do you remember if he had a megaphone and was speaking to the crowd at that time? Mr. Jones?

A Yes.

Q And you were right next to him at the time?

A Yes.

Q Do you remember him telling the crowd that President Trump was coming?

A I didn't—I did not recall that contemporaneously. It was a traumatic event, like I've said. And I apologize if you I are doing a little back and forth. I'm trying to be as detailed and free giving as I can.

And so, what I have seen since then is a video that I believe to be true, and which he says, Hey, guys, you can't be here. Go to Lot 8, that's where Trump said he's going.

Q Right.

A And so, that was a tool of rhetoric by speaker. At that point I have to believe that Alex but Alex can be naive and innocent and he could have believed that.

Q That's fine. We saw a text message earlier you saw where Caroline Wren told you—

A What time was it at?

Q 12:59, POTUS not walking. Do you remember that?

A Yeah. And that's what—my true belief is that the President was not coming.

Q Right. So at that time you knew it wasn't true, as far as you knew that the President—when Mr. Jones said that the President was coming, you knew at that time he wasn't coming. Is that right?

A It would have seemed logistically improbable.

Q I'm asking what you understood at the time that he wasn't coming.

A Yes. My understanding was that it was logistically improbable to the nth degree. And again, I already told this committee that in my professional opinion, there was no way for Trump to ever come.

Q I heard you. I heard you.

A And so, did you ask Mr. Jones at the time why are you saying that President Trump is coming?

Q No. I'm observ—I have tear gas in my eyes. I'm not thinking about correcting him. And again, we're engaged in tools of rhetoric to get people out of the conflict zone. And so, if Mr. Jones said that there are aliens on the other side, I would support that, because that would get people away from tear gas, away from conflict.

Q Right. Because what attracted people is the fact that President Trump was there in your mind, right? That they would go to where he said President Trump was?

A If Trump was coming to Lot 8, a lot of people would come to Lot 8.

Q Right. Because as we talked earlier we talked about President Trump's words, we are not talking about Brandenburg in the Supreme Court. The people who were there were Trump supporters, right?

A There are a lot of people and a lot of evidence to suggest that the reason that we saw no counter protesters is that they were in the crowd, too.

Q There. The majority of the people you saw there were Trump supporters from everything that you saw?

A They purport themselves to be Trump supporters. I sometimes do not feel safe, which is why I said me, and Owen Shroyer, and Alex Jones are all in the security bubble. And we are stuck together. There is no exiting the security bubble. We are in the security bubble and we are at the mercy of whatever those gentlemen tell us to do.

Q Right, okay. And so, at any point did you ever talk to Mr. Jones where he is getting the information that President Trump—

A No.

Q You never asked him?

A No. That would be improbable. I have tear gas in my eyes. I'm suffering from a traumatic event. My event is being barred from happening. And I'm just thinking about how do I save human lives, you know.

Q And part of that would be it sounds like at least Mr. Jones was saying that President Trump was coming.

Mr. Kamenar. Counsel, I think he's asked and answered your question. You've asked it several times.

Mr.   Okay. Fair enough.

Mr. Kamenar. And he said he hasn't talked to Jones to explain—

BY  

Q How about after the fact? Did you ever have a conversation with Mr. Jones why he said at the time at the Capitol Grounds that President Trump was coming?

A I don't recall that Alex Jones and I have had a conversation about a play by play of the traumatic event, no.

Q Okay, so no. Okay.

BY  

Q Let's go back to Exhibit 26, page 236. You're on that page already.

Mr. Kamenar. What's the page?

Mr.  . 236.

The Witness. I was on the page, I'm sorry.

BY  :

Q That's okay.

And it looks like you're testing a Jordan Harrison, do you see that part of the page?

A Yes.

Q And there are messages to say make the wild protest. I am assuming the wildprotest.com page, a blank page. First, who is Jordan Harrison?

A Jordan Harrison is a web vendor that I frequently use for computer-related stuff. I had no computer access.

Q And who was in control of the wildprotest.com website?

A It was a Stop the Steal website.

Q And why are you telling Jordan Harrison to make the web page blank at the time on January 6th?

A Because I believe he has access to it.

Q No. Why are you telling him, Mr. Harrison, who has access to wildprotest.com, to make it blank?

A Because my event had been prevented from happening because there was a Capitol riot. There was no—there was not going to be an event. And I did not want to be subject to the defamation, and libel, and slander that I have since been subject to confusing my efforts to deescalate with people who did deplorable things, horrible things.

Q I failed to mention that Mr. Raskin has joined the deposition.

Staying in the same exhibit, Exhibit 26, I'm going to page had 170.

 . I just have one quick question. Mr. Alexander, do you know who Mr. Harrison works for or does he own his own web vending company?

Mr. Alexander. I think he owns his own company.

Mr. Kamenar. What's the next exhibit?

Mr.  . Exhibit 26, page 170.

BY  

Q And this is a message from Ms. Wren so kind of on the same lines of what you said to Mr. Harrison about making the web page blank, Ms. Wren writes you and said can we take down the coalition partners page on the website? This is on January 7th. So is she -- which website is she referring to?

A I'm sorry, what's the time stamp?

Q Looks like January 7, at 11:35 a.m. She says quote, unquote, "Yo, crazy day yesterday. Can we take down the coalition partners page on the website, please." And it looks like you replied "yes." And then it looks like she replies "thanks." Is she referring to marchtosaveamerica.com?

A No. I'm just trying to read the prior text messages to figure it out because I did not know because it could be the website you just mentioned, because we were running two different websites. So it could have been that website, but it doesn't say here in the prior text messages but it could have been that one.

Q What websites did you have control of on January 6th?

A I'm aware—right now, I'm aware of Stop the Steal U.S. so three, Stop the Steal.US, wildprotest.com, and then the marchtosaveamerica.com, I believe.

Q So when she says can he take it down the coalition partners page, is it your testimony here it is either the wildprotests.com or marchtosaveamerica.com?

A Excuse me?

Q When she says take down—can we take down the coalition partners pages on the website, please, it could have been wildprotest.com or marchtosaveamerica.com?

A It could have been.

Q You don't remember which one it was?

Q Whatever one had a coalition partners page.

Mr.   Should we take a break? It is 12:30. It is up to you all.

Mr.   I am just going to open the floor up to the members to ask follow-up questions. Any questions from the members? That's a negative. And any follow-on questions for counsel?

Let's go on recess then, I believe this is the lunch recess.

Mr.   How long will that be 30 minutes?

Mr.  . Yes. Just come back at 1 o'clock p.m.

[Recess.]