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A I know it. And I'm trying—

The Reporter. Excuse me. One at a time, please.

BY MR.  

Q So you remember enough to say that Representative Perry may have had a role in introducing Mr. Clark—

A Right.

Q —to the President?

A Yes.

Q But you didn't remember anything about that. Do I have it right?

A It's—I'm making inferences in terms of—and I'm trying to draw the line for myself between inference and just speculating.

From the flow of the conversation, I don't recall if Mr. Clark said, "Congressman Perry introduced me to the President," but I am certainly not saying that he did not say it.

If it was said, I don't recall it. But in the conversation of the President becoming aware that Mr. Clark thought that the Department should be doing more, Mr. Perry's name, Congressman Perry's name did come up in that conversation.

Mr.   Okay.

Mr.  , do you have any follow up.

Mr.   Yeah.

Let me go back, Mr. Klukowski. And I appreciate that you're trying to be careful. We appreciate that. We certainly want you to be careful with all the answers.

The Witness. One second before you do.

Mr.   Sure.

The Witness. Is there anything more I can say on that? Because I'm trying to answer fully. I'm trying not to speak beyond the limits of what I recall.