Talk:The Dead Man's Chest

Full poem

The full poem was listed here, but it was then changed to a dab page pointing to the original text by Stevenson. However the full poem is 4-lines long, but in the book the poem is never shown complete, you never see it on a single page, rather in fragments. We should have the poem complete in one place. It's needed for the Wikipedia article w:Dead Man's Chest, when you click through to this page and get the dab, and the broken up sections, it's very confusing. I don't mind also keeping the links to the page numbers but I think the full poem needs to be shown on a single page. Also, there's only one version of the poem so we don't need a dab page at this point. Green Cardamom (talk) 15:53, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

The links should probably be given in the article, then this page could be deleted. If the verses were published in a PD source in their entirety, then it could appear on a single page, but as part of that work. The article explains what is going on, and how Stevenson published it, and that the stanza there is an assemblage. Anyone arriving at this page will find the fragments in situ. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 16:14, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't get your reasoning, it seems pedantic, do you have a Wikisource rule or guideline your working from, or just personal opinion? The poem is often re-printed as a single piece, Wikisource can do the same, there is no reason to force users to click through and read the poem in pieces. Green Cardamom (talk) 15:13, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

What to do with something like this

So we now have:

Fifteen men on the dead man's chest—
Yo-ho-ho and a bottle of rum!
Drink and the devil had done for the rest—
Yo-ho-ho and a bottle of rum!

ready for transclusionn. I think we can host this individually, I forgot where I saw it, but there was consensus among other editors to host a separate PSM work that was part of a larger one, or an excerpt. One I can think of that exists without even a transclusion is Jabberwocky. I think or something that although not as short, the PSM entry was in principle the same, and certainly less notable (as this has its own en.wp article). I think we should host what's above at this page, as a subpage of The Pheonix (something like The Pheonix/Vol. 3/No. 1/The Dead Man's Chest) and link to a dab for where it appears in the Pheonix, and in the original. Sound good? - Theornamentalist (talk) 18:38, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

keep it simple?

We now have the poem intact in a single place in the The Phoenix, but it's confusing to readers because the name is different ("The Dead Men's Song"), and is followed by another poem ("Derelict") but without clarity that it is a separate poem, and not part of the first - actually making the situation worse since readers often confuse the two poems as being one and the same. How can we resolve by getting the 4-line poem onto its own page? Green Cardamom (talk) 06:49, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I had the single poem transcluded here, Cygnis moved the dab page back here and deleted it. The page was this, and what is the current page is roughly what was the dab page. I left a message on their talk page - Theornamentalist (talk) 06:59, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

It seems clear from your edit comments and various talk page discussions you are in the process of testing while working out the layout for a tricky setup. I don't understand why Cygnis is interfering with our work as we try to figure this out. Green Cardamom (talk) 14:45, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Although not 100% satisfied with what I had, I felt pretty much done with transcluding. I think CI deleted it out of their view of en.ws' scope from this edit summary, though I may be wrong. I believe they are trying to move the site towards a more classical library (rather than a practical one in my opinion). - Theornamentalist (talk) 15:10, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Restructure of page

I have restructured the page, separating Stevenson's four-line passage from Treasure Island, Allison's "Derelict", and the other versions into three sections. This is a similar structuring to what pages like Esther (Bible), O Canada, The Hare and the Tortoise, and other pages where there is considerable difference between groups of versions. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 16:50, 25 October 2019 (UTC)