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Yann (talk) 14:22, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Hey Green Cardamom,
en.ws is going through a big transition, where constructs and excerpts are rampant. I have to agree with CI on his edits, as the site is moving towards hosting actual publications as they appear in printed form. However, I may have something you like: The Pheonix has printed the excerpt as you desire. With this, and the proper transclusion, I believe you can host the work individually, while still linking to its first, separated appearance in the original Stevenson work. You will have to create an Index and proofread that page. I don't know how much you know about these processes, but have a look at Help:Beginner's guide to Index: files. I will be out most of the day (beach!) but see what you can do; I am willing to help. - Theornamentalist (talk) 17:12, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
- I've created Index:The Phoenix Vol3 No1.djvu, should get you going, but I might butt in. - Theornamentalist (talk) 16:32, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
- Great thanks, OCR'd text also available here. Green Cardamom (talk) 17:10, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
- OK I entered page 25, but need help with formatting and proofreading. Green Cardamom (talk) 17:37, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
- Hey Green Cardamom,I left a note at the Talk:The Dead Man's Chest, if you don't mind I may go ahead and add it for now. As far as markup, I learned by finding something similar to what I wanted to do and copying, or asking at the Scriptorium. Since activity per page is relatively low, you may find adding the option of watching any edited pages useful; see here for some Category:Formatting templates. Whatever you are interested in uploading or working on, let me know. I can help you through. If you'd like, we can work on some of that magazine that Dead Man's Chest is in as you're learning. - Theornamentalist (talk) 22:02, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
- And I also think that the disambiguation page should list all derivatives, regardless of them having different titles. This could reduce the 4 boxes at en.wp into one, much in the way the en.wp has a single article. I'm gonna mess around for a bit and see what I can do, let me know what you think. May not finish tonight. - Theornamentalist (talk) 22:18, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
- Hmm, still not satisfied with what I've done. I feel like the dab page should have more flexibility... any ideas? - Theornamentalist (talk) 22:48, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
- From a Wikipedia perspective, dab pages are only supposed to be dab, not actual content. How about keeping the poem on the page, with a top hat to The Dead Man's Chest (disambiguation) for other uses, like how its done at Wikipedia? Green Cardamom (talk) 23:56, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
- I've seen dab pages on en.wp with definitions or excerpts which gave me the idea, but I still don't like what I've done entirely. That may be a better solution, I'm just trying to figure out how to organize the work correctly per our standard practice of transclusion, and where to place it in the mainspace (ie: wikisource.org/The Phoenix/Vol. 3/etc). I am not against wholly transcluding it under The Dead Man's Chest. I am honestly unsure what to do. - Theornamentalist (talk) 00:20, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
- We can link to it using {{anchor}}, but it will not exclude everything else, which is what I believe you were trying to achieve. Things like what you want exist all over the site, and it comes down to an argument of how much we want to cater to the reader. In my mind, the reader should come first. - Theornamentalist (talk) 02:22, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
- If you want to try just creating a plain text (or even transcluded) page containing only the poem, and linking to it from the dab page, I'd be up for that. Call it The Dead Man's Chest (original poem) or something. That would allow myself and others to link unambiguously to the poem on its own page. You could leave a note that it is a test article so it doesn't get immediately deleted/reverted, and then we or I can post on the community forum for comment. Green Cardamom (talk) 03:38, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
- We can link to it using {{anchor}}, but it will not exclude everything else, which is what I believe you were trying to achieve. Things like what you want exist all over the site, and it comes down to an argument of how much we want to cater to the reader. In my mind, the reader should come first. - Theornamentalist (talk) 02:22, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
- I've seen dab pages on en.wp with definitions or excerpts which gave me the idea, but I still don't like what I've done entirely. That may be a better solution, I'm just trying to figure out how to organize the work correctly per our standard practice of transclusion, and where to place it in the mainspace (ie: wikisource.org/The Phoenix/Vol. 3/etc). I am not against wholly transcluding it under The Dead Man's Chest. I am honestly unsure what to do. - Theornamentalist (talk) 00:20, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
- From a Wikipedia perspective, dab pages are only supposed to be dab, not actual content. How about keeping the poem on the page, with a top hat to The Dead Man's Chest (disambiguation) for other uses, like how its done at Wikipedia? Green Cardamom (talk) 23:56, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
- Hmm, still not satisfied with what I've done. I feel like the dab page should have more flexibility... any ideas? - Theornamentalist (talk) 22:48, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
- And I also think that the disambiguation page should list all derivatives, regardless of them having different titles. This could reduce the 4 boxes at en.wp into one, much in the way the en.wp has a single article. I'm gonna mess around for a bit and see what I can do, let me know what you think. May not finish tonight. - Theornamentalist (talk) 22:18, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
- Hey Green Cardamom,I left a note at the Talk:The Dead Man's Chest, if you don't mind I may go ahead and add it for now. As far as markup, I learned by finding something similar to what I wanted to do and copying, or asking at the Scriptorium. Since activity per page is relatively low, you may find adding the option of watching any edited pages useful; see here for some Category:Formatting templates. Whatever you are interested in uploading or working on, let me know. I can help you through. If you'd like, we can work on some of that magazine that Dead Man's Chest is in as you're learning. - Theornamentalist (talk) 22:02, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
RfC Annotations and derivative works
[edit]As you were heavily involved in the last round of discussions, I thought you may want to know that I started a new page to try to discuss this again: Wikisource:Requests for comment/Annotations and derivative works. This page is a bit more complicated and long winded than the last approach but I thought it might have more success this way. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 22:39, 6 March 2013 (UTC)