User talk:Sacle1
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Again, welcome! --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:29, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
How restore page status validate option?
[edit]{{helpme}} I validated pages 3-4 & then thought that they required paragraph indentation and so I unvalidated them and then I realized they did not need paragraph indentation but then I could not revalidate the pages, probably because I was the same person. So, now I cannot finish the project until that gets fixed. So, the pages are fine but I cannot validate them now.
The project is here: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:The_Necessity_and_Progress_of_Civil_Service_Reform.pdf Sacle1 (talk) 20:40, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello. You can go to the history of the page and on the right of the recorded edit you can click "undo". The previous version of the page, including the validated status, should be restored. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 21:11, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- I could see that the revert did not work, so I validated the two pages. However, before you mark a page as validated, please join all the lines within a paragraph together. For details see Help:Beginner's guide to typography#Remove line breaks. I did it in the two newly validated pages, but it should be done in the previously validated pages too. Sometimes there are also double spaces after dots, so one of them should be removed too. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 21:59, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Please, do not validate pages which do not have the lines joined. Thanks for understanding. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 01:14, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Please stop edit warring. Our practice is that the line breaks are removed (see also Help:Formatting conventions). There is also a script that can help you with it, see Wikisource:Tools and scripts#PageCleanUp (I can help you with its implementation if needed). However, if you continue with your reverts without abiding by our standards, you may be blocked from editing. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 10:30, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Please, do not validate pages which do not have the lines joined. Thanks for understanding. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 01:14, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- I could see that the revert did not work, so I validated the two pages. However, before you mark a page as validated, please join all the lines within a paragraph together. For details see Help:Beginner's guide to typography#Remove line breaks. I did it in the two newly validated pages, but it should be done in the previously validated pages too. Sometimes there are also double spaces after dots, so one of them should be removed too. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 21:59, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Template:--
[edit]When you find {{--}} or its variants, just replace them with an em-dash character. The template exists only for people who cannot type an em-dash. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- I don't understand. — is what I use, based on what I was told to use on this site. What is an "em-dash" character? Okay, I just looked it up. I can't do that. Sacle1 (talk) 19:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- You should use—rather than a template to create the character. Inserting the character itself is always preferred. See Wikisource:Style guide, under Formatting, 7. Punctuation, Dashes. The templates are OK if you can't enter the actual dash, but we prefer the dash. And as long as you are making replacements, the preferred replacement is the actual dash instead of a template to insert the dash. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:27, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the link; there may be other things there I might find useful.
- I just read where you suggested, however, and it says that what I am doing is fine. quote: "Options for entering the em dash [include] the {{--}} template," which, in fact, is the first item suggested on the list of options provided.
- This is listed under formatting, #7-punctuation, dashes. Sacle1 (talk) 21:18, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Those are options for entering it, but those template-based options exist for people who cannot enter the character itself. The templates date from a time when online editing was far more challenging than it is now. See the opening lines, that advise entering the actual character as the overriding preference for editors. Those "options" should be seen as alternatives for editors operating without the full suite of character entering options. It's not that the template use is disallowed, but it shouldn't be used unless you have to because you can't enter the actual character. Sometimes we run bots to replace certain character templates. So switching to the em-dash template doesn't benefit anyone. --EncycloPetey (talk) 06:08, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- You should use—rather than a template to create the character. Inserting the character itself is always preferred. See Wikisource:Style guide, under Formatting, 7. Punctuation, Dashes. The templates are OK if you can't enter the actual dash, but we prefer the dash. And as long as you are making replacements, the preferred replacement is the actual dash instead of a template to insert the dash. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:27, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
printer notations
[edit]Items like B 2 and E 1 that appear at the bottom of pages were included by the printer for the sole purpose of binding the book in the correct sequence. For the vast majority of works, we do not transcribe them, because they are not part of the work. If you wish to include them in the 1st edition of Jane Eyre, that is fine as long as you do it consistently. I say this as the person who proofread the majority: whether those are included or excluded is fine. As a first edition, someone might be interested. But for the majority of works, we deliberately do not include them, as they aren't part of the work itself. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:41, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, I think I started putting those printer marks in because I noticed someone had put some in already and I was trying to make it consistent; so, I am not quite sure what to do now. Sacle1 (talk) 01:20, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- It can go either way for this particular work. For something like a Shakespeare Quarto, we'd probably want them, but not for most books, since usually there little to no benefit. Since this is a 1st edition of a significant work, it's your call. I didn't put them in, but I don't object to them either. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:28, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
vertical spacing
[edit]Please do not remove the vertical spacing in Jane Eyre. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- If you disagree with the creating editor of a work, please engage in a discussion. If you do not engage in discussion to resolve the issue, you may be blocked per our blocking policy. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I didn't see your messages, but now I've seen them, and I will stop and put things back the way they were. Sorry. Thanks! Sacle1 (talk) 00:53, 3 April 2024 (UTC)