User talk:Tcr25

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Again, welcome! Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:53, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Understanding protocols

{{helpme}} Thanks for the welcome Beeswaxcandle (talk • contribs). I've gone through the tutorial, but I'm either missing some of the terminology or just unclear on the steps. I've brought over a work from Wikicommons (Index:Remarks of Hon. J.E. Bouligny, on the secession of Louisiana (IA remarksofhonjebo00boul 0).pdf), cleaned up the pages and proofread. It still needs to validate by another reader, but at this point do I create an author page? A work page? Just sit tight until it's validated? Tcr25 (talk) 01:04, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

The author page can be created at any stage in the process. I usually do it after I've sorted out the Index: page. Once you've done the best you can with a work, then it should be "transcluded". We don't wait until validation to do that. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:24, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I think I have everything transcluded properly. I created Author:John Edward Bouligny and the work page (Remarks of Hon. J. E. Bouligny, on the Secession of Louisiana) and cleaned up the typesetting/formatting on the page. I'm not clear if categories go on the mainspace page or the index (right now I have them on the mainspace page). I have the author page linked to the Wikidata item, but I guess it takes time for the authority control to populate. Any guidance or corrections would be appreciated. Tcr25 (talk) 14:26, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

All looks good to me. Categories do indeed go on the mainspace page. I look forward to seeing your next contribution. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:58, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

The Story of the Golden Fleece

All works hosted on Wikisource must display the license under which they may be hosted here. All works should have three things: (1) header (which you provided); (2) source (in this case, the scan), and (3) a license template. I have added the license to this work, but please remember this requirement in future. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:41, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I appreciate the heads up. —Tcr25 (talk) 18:42, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

@Tcr25 Thanks for adding the Story of the Golden Fleece. However, was there a reason you did not transclude the chapters on individual pages, e.g. The Story of the Golden Fleece/Chapter 1 etc.? Generally, transcluding each chapter separately is preferred. I am happy to make the required changes if there is no reason to the contrary. Thanks, TeysaKarlov (talk) 20:54, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, @TeysaKarlov. I wasn't aware that it was preferred to put the chapters on subpages for shorter books. It simply wasn't on my radar. Please feel free to do so, if you'd like to. —Tcr25 (talk) 20:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Tcr25. Thanks for the quick reply. I have transcluded the chapters separately now. If you would prefer a different style for the headers (e.g. with section titles), feel free to adjust; I usually prefer something plain. Thanks again, TeysaKarlov (talk) 21:04, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm fine with plain. —Tcr25 (talk) 21:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

hws/hwe

I notice you've been adding hws/hwe templates to pages I've proofread. In general these templates should no longer be used except for special cases (see the template's documentation); the system can join hyphenated words automatically. Arcorann (talk) 00:38, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I had not known that. Thanks. Tcr25 (talk) 00:44, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

New texts

Did you spot the note when editing the Template that you should "[t]ry not to have two texts by the same author on this template at the same time, thanks"? You have listed two works by the same author back, and we try to avoid having two works by the same author listed at the same time. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't notice that. —Tcr25 (talk) 17:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Reasons Why We are Galilean Fisherman still has a problematic page, which is not proofread, and that page has not been transcluded either. So the work is neither fully proofread nor fully transcluded. We don't list works with problematic pages or that have content that needs to be transcluded that isn't. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:35, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

EncycloPetey, Thanks, I was debating whether to do the cover as an image or wiki since it is almost completely duplicates the title page. It's there now (and proofread), but I don't think it adds anything to transclude the page. Is there a policy or preference in situations like this? —Tcr25 (talk) 04:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Roman numerals in subpages

Hi, by convention we don't use Roman numerals in subpage titles. See Help:Subpages for more detail. The reason for doing so is that it makes for consistent linking. Best, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 20:58, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, @Beeswaxcandle. I've gone back and moved the pages and corrected the TOC. —Tcr25 (talk) 21:09, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Auth. control

The IDs from various databases should be added at Wikidata; we no longer manage those database IDs locally. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:30, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, so each edition should end up with its own Wikidata entry? —Tcr25 (talk) 20:43, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Correct. There will be a primary Wikidata item for the work, but also separate Wikidata items for each edition published. Database identifiers for the work are added to the work data item; and identifiers for particular editions are placed on the corresponding data item for that edition. That way, editions published in different cities, by different publishers, in different years, and other differing data, can have their own data recorded. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:48, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Confessions of an English Hachish-Eater

Thanks for adding this work. I note that you marked this with the template PD-old - that indicates that the author died more than 100 years ago. Do you know that as a fact ? Is there any indication as to who the author was ? -- Beardo (talk) 14:29, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

I haven't found any indication as to the author's identity. There's none listed in the book or the publisher's catalogue (at least in versions I've seen). Worldcat and the Library of Congress's entries for it also credit only the publisher; no author. It was published in 1884, which makes it PD in the United States even though it was published in the UK. On Commons, there is PD-old-assumed for works published more than 120 years prior with an unknown author; PD-old seemed the closest to use here. If there is a better PD license to apply, I'd welcome it. —Tcr25 (talk) 14:41, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

There is one source I've found that considers William Laird Clowes (d. 1905) as the likely author, but it's not enough for me to definitively link him to the work. —Tcr25 (talk) 14:45, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

I don't know about commons. But here, the suitable license is {{PD-anon-US}} - I have put that. --

Beardo (talk) 14:54, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, the "US" in that kept me from thinking it was the right license. —Tcr25 (talk) Tcr25 (talk) 15:00, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

Wikisource is primarily concerned with the US position. This is different from Commons, which is concerned with both the US and the home country position. -- Beardo (talk) 16:51, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you so much for stepping in to do the All Around the Bay of Passamaquoddy; I'm still so new and slow with all of this, often just copy/pasting code I find from another book into the code for a new book and changing the necessary words. Much thanks Fundy Isles Historian - J (talk) 03:11, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for getting it started! Looking at other books is a good way to get an idea of how to do things; you can also get more context and direction from WS:HELP. Or just ask! —Tcr25 (talk) 12:25, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Looking at Index:History of islands & islets in the Bay of Fundy, Charlotte County, New Brunswick; (IA historyofislands00lori).pdf right now; think I got the page list kinda done, saw the page list "button" that allows you to go page-by-page through the opening but it doesn't seem to have a "set this as page number one, page number two" type button, just img/cover/null/?. Also isn't there some button somewhere that allows me to see a thumbnail of all 100 pages on-screen at once so I can quickly identify which pages have photographs or similar? Figured out how to list a TOC at least. Fundy Isles Historian - J (talk) 18:11, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

I'm not aware of something that lets you see all the thumbnails at once; I usually use Adobe Acrobat to see that. With the "Open in WS Page Game" feature, for page numbers, you just type in the "Page number" box your 1 (or 7 or whatever) when you find that page. It then throws you to the of the work and you start going backwards through things. Then just type in last page number when you reach it. If the number of pages between the first numbered one and the last numbered one align, then it says you're done. Otherwise it keeps going backwards for you to label pages. Sometimes it's easier to just do the base bit, copy the pagelist the game creates and then manually go in and adjust the internal pages. —Tcr25 (talk) 19:30, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

I went ahead and updated the pagelist for you. Two quick things: Bookplates (like on page 2) aren't transcribed; you had a nested pagelist happening, so not all of the pages were being shown/seen. You can see here the changes made. —Tcr25 (talk) 19:41, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

For formatting the table of contents look at {{TOC begin}}. The documentation there can guide you in achieving the proper table formatting. —Tcr25 (talk) 19:43, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, still looking at Index:History of islands & islets in the Bay of Fundy, Charlotte County, New Brunswick; (IA historyofislands00lori).pdf - I think I got the hang of labelling things in the page list, that TOC page still confuses the heck out of me, and I think I got the hang of RH and LH from your example as well...but surely there's an automated process to put RH and LH with successively increasing even/odd numbers on every page of a scan's Header-field quickly instead of manually doing this? How do you do things so quickly? Fundy Isles Historian - J (talk) 01:59, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

For the headers, look at {{rvh}}. You can place that template in the Header (or Footer) section of the Index page to prepopulate it. To get the page number in the header, use {{{pagenum}}} in the template. If the chapter name is in the header, you'll have to change the index for different sections, which usually isn't an issue if you are going in page order. The other option is to after you preview a finished page before publishing it, copy the header, then, after publishing, paste it in on the next page and manually advance the page number.

Looking at the Index for that file, I don't think I've seen the chapter names included in the pagelist before. That might be handy for knowing where you are in editing, but I don't know if others would find it to be irregular.

For the TOC page, do you mean the {{TOC begin}} and related templates? Or the TOC display on the Index page?

talk to you later,

Carter Tcr25 (talk) 14:29, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Jumping back to the Islets index, would you be able to parse it so the main page is actually a link to separate chapters for each island (where I've marked the chapter heads in the Source File pagelist)? Also not sure if you know but a timesaving trick I learned is if you hit "No Text" as the proofread status of a blank page, you don't have to waste time deleting the " *(# BINAENUI#(PA NIE#" nonsense that OCR interprets creases and shadows as - setting it as No Text auto-deletes that. Fundy Isles Historian - J (talk) 15:51, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

I usually focus on getting the Table of Contents done first (or before I start on too many pages), which lets me look at the page numbers for a chapter and then select it from the pagelist. The main page should follow the layout of the book, so you have the title page, copyright page, and other frontmatter in the order printed. The table of contents may go on that same frontmatter page, or it might be its own subpage (as each chapter should be in a longer work), depending upon the length of both the frontmatter and the TOC. Look at Thirty Poems as an example.

For cleaning up a bad OCR, two possibilities: 1) You can delete the OCR text and use the "Transcribe Text" button to get a (hopefully) cleaner text to work with; 2) you could try Google Lens's copy text feature to OCR the image text. Both require clean up and proofing, but they both seem to do a better job that Adobe's OCR on some old texts. —Tcr25 (talk) 15:59, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

I went ahead and formatted the TOC. It's different from most and the {{TOC begin}} family of templates isn't right for it. —Tcr25 (talk) 19:18, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Table of contents links

I think it is fair to say that any reader will expect a link in a table of contents to point to an item within the volume, and not to an external page. Clarification links can be placed in the header notes of the mainspace transclusion. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:51, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

I was thinking of it like an anthology, where an author's name is liked to their page outside of the current work, and something that is acceptable under both WS:Links and WS:ANN. —Tcr25 (talk) 20:09, 19 February 2025 (UTC)