User talk:Tromaster

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Italics

{{helpme}}I'm having trouble with italics on this page: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Prose_Works_of_Percy_Bysshe_Shelley_%28Volume_1%29.djvu/348 and subsequent ones (details are in the Discussion page). Guidance is most appreciated :-)

For what it is worth, the markup '' and related forms only works up to the immediately following closure or newline, whichever comes first. Which pretty much sums up the problems you were having, as the "closing" markup was simply starting a new set of italics—this time exactly where you did not want it to appear. I simply rejoined all the lines and your existing mark-up worked thereafter. If you prefer to keep line-breaks as per the scan image then using <i>…</i> is quite an acceptable alternative. AuFCL (talk) 02:06, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Template names

On Page:Yorkshire Oddities, Incidents and Strange Events.djvu/28 you made an edit where you expanded some abbreviated template names to their full form -- namely, {{rh}} to {{running header}} and {{hwe}} to {{hyphenated word end}}. Is there a reason you made this change? The short forms exist for a reason, for ease of use mainly, and generally there's no need to expand them. --Mukkakukaku (talk) 22:34, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

I totally agree with you, and in fact I used to use the abbreviated names, until Billinghurst kept changing them to their full form in my edits. Therefore I started using the full form, considering he's an admin and I'm just a newbie :) Tromaster (talk) 22:45, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Well there's nothing wrong with doing that as long as you do something in addition. Eg. it's not an edit solely to expand the template names, but also does something useful like fixing typos, etc. --Mukkakukaku (talk) 06:58, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

And I am. Besides, I was editing those already proofread pages (and correcting some minor typos) before continuing with the remainder of the book, mainly to get a 'feel' of the style of the author, and to keep the proofreading consistent troughout the whole book.

On the other hand, I can understand Billinghurst's point. For me (and probably for most newcomers) it is easier to understand and follow the edits when there are 'meaningful' terms like {{hyphenated word end}} instead of cryptic acronyms like {{hwe}}. This is especially true when it comes to more advanced stuff like Tables of Content, which is something I haven't figured out yet, mainly because I can't "read" all those template acronyms... Tromaster (talk) 11:53, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

I just read the documentation for the template itself. :) And as for tables of contents, the documentation at {{TOC begin}} is good. --Mukkakukaku (talk) 13:49, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Templates: float right and right both have an indent function

Hi. Just to let you know that both template:float right and template:right have a parameter that allows you to indent from the right margin. This means you don't have to pad with {{gap}}. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:50, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Blank line

On Page:Witch-Cult in Western Europe (1921).djvu/106 I want to get rid of the blank lines before and after that little "poem" in the first paragraph, to make the text as similar to the original as possible. I'm almost sure I've seen (and even done) that before, but I can't recall how it is done. Tromaster (talk) 23:20, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Without fancy fancy coding, you will have to steer away from the user of the block templates in that case. Maybe try starting the requisite lines with a sized {{gap}}, though it will mean that you won't have centred text.

As background; all centering of text requires a paragraph or division element, and that means there will be a small gap after its completion. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:30, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Multi-page tables

On Page:Witch-Cult in Western Europe (1921).djvu/252 and following pages there are a couple of tables that span over multiple pages. I'm using the syntax explained here [1], but for some odd reason it is not working right. Or is a table even the correct approach in this case? Tromaster (talk) 21:56, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

The tables aren't yet set up to span across pages, but I reformatted the table for "7" so you can see how to get the individual parts to work properly. Three things you needed:

1) Setting each line of text as a separate table row usually works better than other methods. And there must be a |- on its own line between each new row.

2) colspan= allows a column to extend across that number of columns in the table, so when a bit of text is wider than another column lined up with it, you can spread the width out.

3) using

(e.g. {{ts|ac}}) can save some time and coding And if you go to Template:ts, there will be a list of options for parameters. The template is especially useful for aligning content or adjusting font sizes.

Hope this helps you get going, and when you've got this done, then I can assist with connecting the tables so they align across pages. But the individual tables ought to be gotten ready first. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:08, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Ok, all the missing parameters are added/changed now, and even the tables that span across pages look fine now. But... the tables with a long "comment" line (i.e tables 3, 4-2, 5, 10-1, 13, and 15-1) are not properly aligned anymore. Not sure if that has anything to do with the changes I made, but I can't figure out how to fix it (even after looking up several alternatives in Template:ts). The relevant pages are marked as "problematic". Tromaster (talk) 19:06, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes, that's expected because the tables are not joined yet. How many pages of tables are there? We have the option of conjoining them into one massive tabel across multiple pages, or of trying to do them in numbered groups. If there are a very large number of pages, then we might use the latter option, but the first option is preferrable for correcting the alignment. Note: I'm about to step away for a meal, so if I don't respond right away, that is why. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:09, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

The tables begin on page 249 and end on page 254, that makes six pages. And on page 255 starts one new table ("Names of Witches", which I'm working on now) that goes up to page 270. Tromaster (talk) 19:19, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

OK, 249 to 254 isn't bad at all. I'll join those up, and you'll have those to work from as a model when you're ready to join the next set. For tables that span more than a couple of pages, it's usually easier to format the individual sections / pages, and then worry about joining them . . . so long as all tables in the run have a consistent format. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:08, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Tables are joined and Appendix III transcluded, so you can see the result. Some small oddities remain, but these are artefacts of the way tables work and the copying of the originals. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:27, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

I get the idea. Basically now it's just one big table, with the spanning over pages handled in the Header and Footer sections. I will apply what I learned on the big table on page 255 seq., which ought to be simpler since it's just one table. Thank you very much for your quick and thorough help, EncycloPetey! Tromaster (talk) 22:33, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

The only tweak I put in that you might not notice: on the first page of the table (only there) I set a "width" value. The value limits it to a maxim width when the whole table gets transcluded into the final copy. Otherwise, the table would spread across whatever width the screen was. Because it's only for the final version, it doesn't need to be repeated on any of the other pages. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:39, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

I noticed it, but had no explanation for it :-). Now I know. Thanks again! Tromaster (talk) 22:41, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

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Current Monthly Challenge

I've noticed that you have an interest in H.G. Wells. In the current Monthly Challenge, we're featuring Volume 1 of The Atlantic Editions of H.G. Wells. We'd appreciate any help from you. Languageseeker (talk) 00:48, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

On it! :) Tromaster (talk) 23:35, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Languageseeker (talk) 02:08, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Wanted to add a quick thank you note for all your hard work on H.G. Wells. It's really amazing. :) Languageseeker (talk) 05:29, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Proofreading guide

Hi, Just checking my Watchlist and your user page came up. Eventually figured it must be because of the complimentary comment about my Proofreading guide which is getting nowhere fast. I migrated to WS from Distributed Proofreading because I like to proof as I read. Also I think that WS has much more potential for using PD books. But I am a proofreader, not an digital native and I am picking up skills at a glacial speed. I could use some help but mostly gentle support to work out how best to support proofreaders at WS. The numbers at DP are impressive, it would be fabulous to get them here but there are many discouragements to this that I think the proofreading guide could alleviate. If you would like to provide some leverage to getting this project off the ground it would be very much appreciated. Please ping me. Cheers, Zoeannl (talk) 06:26, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

I find your guide very useful as it is now. Of course it could be optimized, but unfortunately the documentation here at WS about templates and so on is rather poor, in some cases non existent, and not organized. I'll try to figure out a way to contribute to your guide to make it even better. Incidentally, I also worked over at DP but like it here better :) Tromaster (talk) 18:00, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Hws/hwe

Hi: just a quick hint: the {{hwe}} and {{hws}} templates are no longer necessary as the wiki software on the server will join then up for you. They'll not wrong as such (and still useful in <refs> for one, see H:HYPHEN for more), but maybe it'll save you a few key-presses. ^_^ Inductiveload—talk/contribs 18:19, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up! :-) Tromaster (talk) 18:37, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

The Outline of History

Hi Tromaster,

I just ran across Index:The Outline of History Vol 1.djvu and Index:The Outline of History Vol 2.djvu, that you seem to have done most of the work on, both of which appear as good as done but both lacking just a few pages. Did you run into some trouble, or just out of stream? :) Anything you need help with to finish these? Xover (talk) 16:14, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Xover: the missing pages are part of a HUGE index in Vol. 2, and I'm not sure if it's really necessary to proofread that. If so, then yes, I need some help, because proofreading that thing is the most boring task, ever ;-) Tromaster (talk) 17:21, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

The index does need to be proofread, yes, but the page numbers need not be linked. In fact, should not be linked to wikipages in the Page: namespace: any links should go to the relevant location in the wikipage where that content is transcluded (which, for this work, I suspect would mean adding link targets on the relevant pages using {{anchor}} or {{anchor+}}, which makes it doubly tedious to do). But links are not required in order for a page to be labelled as "Proofread" and transcluded. If links are needed they can be added after the fact by any contributors sufficiently interested. Xover (talk) 10:11, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Batch Changes in The Works of H G Wells

Thank you so much for working on The Works of H G Wells. I've noticed that you've made many changes that are repetitive such as replacing curly quotes with straight quotes. If you collect a list of common changes that need to be made (e.g. .... to . . . .), then I can request a bot to do all the changes to save you time. :) 17:58, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

@LanguageSeeker: Not sure if you wrote the above, as it is not signed. If possible, I'd like to have double curly quotes replaced with their straight counterparts. The rest I can handle myself as I'm proofreading/validating the text anyway. Thanks. Tromaster (talk) 22:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Go it. I posted the request for the quotes. Languageseeker (talk) 13:15, 6 August 2022 (UTC)