User talk:Norbillian
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Again, welcome! SnowyCinema (talk) 20:34, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
I made some changes
[edit]My purpose was to see what wikidata had for this and to set up Weekly Weather and Crop Bulletin. I made some changes to the Index I made and the Index that you made. "Volume" in that form is really good for when all of the issues of one year are in one file. Index:The_Atlantic_Monthly_Volume_1.djvu is a good example of this. So I removed the "58" from there and made a greatly expanded title Weekly Weather and Crop Bulletin, Volume 58, No. 4
This is kind of a pain, but it will put them all into a good position in the Main space. Again with the Atlantic Monthly, a good example: The Atlantic Monthly, Volume 1, Number 1
The other thing I did was remove the {{header}} template from the page header. We use that to display the tops of the document, book, magazine pages; stuff that will not go into the main (transcluded) display. See Page:The Atlantic Monthly Volume 1.djvu/23 for what I tried to say. The Atlantic Monthly/Volume 1/Number 1/Florentine Mosaics#15 is where that page ended without its "header".
See Weekly Weather and Crop Bulletin for how {{header}} is used.
Wikisource uses a lot of templates. Help:Editing#Advanced has a good navigation for the help with the templates and the index pages and the transclusion.
Then, and this is the thing you might not want, I designed a table that somewhat looks like the header that was on the page. I went nuts with the templates and it is difficult for human eyes to read, at least I think so. I consider it that I took a great liberty with your work and will not mind if you remove it and make one that you like. Or, you can paste it onto the other pdf. (a little insomnia here)
Also, I used the crop tool at the commons to get that image out of the pdf. It left a little line on the edge which I will fix tomorrow, but the crop tool there can be very helpful.
Other than the header being in the wrong place at the wrong time, the rest looked really good! And I see you found the {{rh}}} -> Running header. Source is a powerful wiki. My head almost exploded when I first got here. The means for transclusion alone was impressive enough to me.
So, there is some help you did not ask for and only needed a little!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 08:14, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the help! IAmMrE (talk) 13:23, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Page breaks in transclusion
[edit]When transcluding parts of a book that are not in a flow of content, and that are separate, it is considered a good practice to split them in multiple <pages> tags and delimit them with {{ppb}}. — Alien 3
3 3 18:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Also, when you create redirects through page moving to a correct title, tag them with {{sdelete|M2}} (see WS:CSD#M2: unneeded redirects). Like that, admins can clean up and delete them. — Alien 3
3 3 20:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Monthly Weather Review
[edit]Hey Norbillian. So I'll continue to add Monthly Weather Review (MWR) PDFs to the Commons and I'll get them indexed here on Wikisource. However, after being bamboozled one too many times, I have retired from transcribing. So, I won't be helping you transcribe the MWR documents, but since I have access too them, I will help in at least adding them so they can be transcribed. I may decide to do more transcribing in the future, but currently Wikisource's inclusion policy makes no sense to me, despite the efforts of several editors in October 2024 and January 2025.
So anyway, if you notice an issue with something I indexed or if you run out of MWR PDFs to transcribe, feel free to drop me a message on my talk page and I'll make sure to get more added as soon as I can. Cheers! WeatherWriter (talk) 23:16, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
A bit of copyright history
[edit]I wanted to correct a small error in understanding that was made in the Dada discussion, but it's entirely a distraction from the discussion so I'll put it here. And I hope you don't take this as nagging—I didn't intend it that way—I just thought you'd just be interested in the fairly recent history of the public domain.
Because of the way that copyright now works, you would intuitively think that a work from 1918 went into the public domain in 2014, as it took until 2025 for 1929 to be public-domain. But, what actually happened was slightly more ridiculous than that.
The Sonny Bono Act, having been passed in 1998, extended the copyrights of all works after 1922. The reason for this, primarily, was that Disney was worried about Steamboat Willie (first appearance of Mickey Mouse) being by then positioned to go into the public domain in 2004, so they lobbied for yet another extension, and it worked. So what happened on January 1, 1998 (due to the act) is that all works from 1922 entered the public domain, and then there was a complete pause on all new public domain releases by year for an additional 21 years.
On January 1, 2019, the long-awaited, and by me at the time celebrated, stalling had ended—meaning that the effect of each new year marking a new year of public domain releases was reinstated. 2019 finally, at long last, marked the public-domain releases of films (from the year 1923) like Safety Last! and Alice's Wonderland (Alice being the first major Disney property), and in 2024, Mickey Mouse was finally freed from its chains.
Not that any of that history matters anymore, since it's all in the public domain now, no matter what, but I got bored and needed something to write about, so there you have it. It's amazing that the public domain has expanded so far as to go into full-talkie territory now. The unfortunate bad news of that is that the year-by-year releases end in 2073 (being 1977's release), where after that the US will follow EU rules of 70 pma (assuming copyright doesn't have major changes by 50 years from now)... SnowyCinema (talk) 17:40, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Speedy deletion of indexes
[edit](As one of those who staff speedy deletion.) It's a small detail, but when nominating an index for speedy deletion, please don't blank the pagelist, because we also have to delete the pages, and if you remove the pagelist, well, the pages are harder to find. Thank you, — Alien 3
3 3 18:03, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
footnote/endnote formatting?
[edit]Not sure why it’s tougher to wrap my brain around wikisource documentation contents, but thanks for inviting me to ask questions here!
What’s the format script tag for superscript characters? By that, I mean character raised from text baseline: as with exponents, footnotes, and endnotes, when in the original text the numerals or other characters are depicted as superscript?
The current use case is for a footnote or endnote, but it would be useful to know if there’s a different script tag for exponents.
I first read the beginner’s guide to proofreading and then ran a few brief searches for possible relevant terms via the search field on the main wikisource styleguides/help page, but didn’t find the answer that way. I appreciate the pointers, thank you!
Grayautumnday (talk) 03:37, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- The tag for that is {{sup}}. Norbillian (talk) 03:39, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Okay, so different than what is described in the page I linked. Thanks! Grayautumnday (talk) 03:43, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- What about page numbers in headers or footers? I don’t remember reading that in the guides (probably a cognitive hiccup for me). Grayautumnday (talk) 03:57, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- I may have managed to find the answer to my own question: a classic case of what I call the tech support paradox - once someone actually calls for tech support on a given problem, there’s a statistically significant probability that the problem will become impossible to reproduce). Please correct me if there’s a difference in style tags for footnotes/endnotes that differ from exponential formatting.
- Help:Fractions and functions#Subscripts, superscripts, integrals Grayautumnday (talk) 03:42, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
Category to Portal
[edit]Unfortunately, you can't simply move a Category to become a Portal. I recommend using the name Portal:Assassination of John F. Kennedy, as this matches the WP article and is less cryptic. If you need assistance setting up the Portal, I am willing to help get the basics started. But in case you are planning to make edits, I will not do so unless given the "go ahead". --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:30, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:JFK assassination documents is deleted. Please ensure the categorization is also removed from the individual documents, and (ideally) another useful category is added. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:38, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
The story of John Paul Jones (IA storyofjohnpaulj00fitz).pdf
[edit]Yes, there are pages with images, but they have page numbers. We only label images pages as "Img" if they are not part of the normal page sequence. Wherever a page has a logical page number, either on the page or inferrable from the preceding and following pages, we prefer the page number. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:19, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
Funny how we were both working on him at the same time. I had seen that his work linked to another Thomas Morton, so moved that one and was tidying up the links when you created this one. -- Beardo (talk) 04:57, 3 February 2025 (UTC)