User talk:Billinghurst/2013

Watchlist message notices

Since you mentioned it elsewhere, this usage always seemed lacking to me. It was months before I realized there were actually "messages" up there - I always overlooked them since they seemed to part of 'Watchlist options' unless one stopped to really look & then read carefully. We really should be using the .js-based(?) message banners for system-wide notices like Wikipedia does (if you haven't opted out of them or turned them off in User Preferences that is).

I tried to figure all that out at the same time I changed the MediaWiki .css and .js purge & edit warnings a week or two ago, but it seemed we are so far behind the most common of improvements that I was just happy to change one or two of the messages and some of the background colors for existing message boxes. Most everything else was beyond my skill set & limited understanding to fiddle with any further sadly (plus they conflict like the featured icon once did under dynamic layouts before hacked to load higher). -- George Orwell III (talk) 02:00, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, but it was better than the site banner. On my journeys elsewhere, I will see what others do for highlighting. Not sure where we can test though — billinghurst sDrewth 08:00, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

fwiw.... there happens to be a new "banner" along the lines of what I was talking about earlier up now on most pages of Old Wikisource. Lord knows how it is being generated though - must be [java?] scripted because it doesn't seem to show up in the usual place(s) when I look at the raw HTML underneath. -- George Orwell III (talk) 23:56, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Was it MediaWiki:Sitenotice? mw:Manual:Interface/Sitenotice — billinghurst sDrewth 07:24, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Nope. something about a Wicnic (Wiki picnic) in 23 cities, etc. etc. -- George Orwell III (talk) 07:36, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

It may have been part of m:Special:Centralnotice? — billinghurst sDrewth 08:04, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Bingo! That's it. I'm not saying we should go through all that (though it wouldn't hurt) but mirror whatever it is that generates those types of banners/messages. Watchlist notices are just too out-of-the-way to effectively notify the max. number of folks on the latest WMF upgrade "enhancements" and how to resolve/tweak them. I'm thinking it could cut down on the number of redundant [Scriptorium] posts typically made in the wake of such changes. -- George Orwell III (talk) 08:27, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Sitenotice has the same effect as centralnotice. We used to use it, and it was often equally ineffective, or considered irritating as non-logged in users cannot collapse it, so it is always there. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:31, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

I would have assumed as much, being most regulars disable such messages in their settings (& I have little affinity for the IP user; most are 1 day contributors at best anyway). All I was wondering is how feasible would it be to put a banner-like message at least where the watchlist message goes if not the WS-wide message. Something that the eye cannot mistake for normal watchlist info in other words. -- George Orwell III (talk) 08:50, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Presumably someone can do a better coding effort of div id="watchlist-message" so that it has the right code to highlight the message in MediaWiki:Watchlist-announcements, and collapses nicely when someone hits hide. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:50, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Homes of the London Poor

As this was your suggestion, can you please check through and proofread the text for August's featured text, "Homes of the London Poor"? I was not able to find that much on Wikipedia about the book itself, and I was not that familiar with the subject to begin with, so I am not sure if my description is adequate for the book.

• Template:Featured text/August
• Main Page/sandbox

- AdamBMorgan (talk) 13:26, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

New tool

This authority control tool is a new offering from Magnus Manske, tweaked to work for WS after I saw him at a meetup a week ago. Not too opaque, though I have been using it without the green button so far. (The DNB mentioned is not our one.). Charles Matthews (talk) 21:30, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay, it was stalling for me in a typical TS means. At this stage, I just picked "Authors-M" and am working my way through the sub-categories ... so scientific. I am presuming that you are aware that we have a VIAF gadget to assist with the additions. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:37, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

No, I am very ignorant about gadgets. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:50, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

To Do

I've created two To Do lists, both of which are currently empty. The first To Do list, shortcut WS:TODO (or WS:TO DO), and an admin specific To Do list, at Wikisource:Maintenance of the Month/To do (admins) with no shortcut at the moment. Do you want to start listing things or can I steal items from your "Things to do" list? - AdamBMorgan (talk) 17:35, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Both can happen. No need to wait for me, and no need for me to delegate. Nothing sacred there. Thanks for all of that. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:02, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Oops. I may have accidentally been fighting you on Page:Rise and Fall of Society.djvu/69

Hi Billinghurst.

I happened to notice a footnote was not being completely generated on this page. (Well in fact I was following up on one of User:EVula's notes on a "working example of multi-page footnotes", and found it actually was not in fact … working!) Footnote 3 was being truncated at the text "thinking how many pounds of wool", instead of correctly continuing through to "His worth as a human being was involved."

Perhaps in hubris I thought I could fix this, and did so (I believe!)

Only then did I check the page history; and realised with horror I had (almost) reproduced something you had in fact removed only a few days ago (the <section begin=body/> bit, although I put my version lower down than the one you had removed. I don't particularly like the label name "body"; but The Rise and Fall of Society/5 already is so coded; so I thought "minimal change." (Ha!))

Would you please be so kind as to look at this again and make sure I have not inadvertently recreated whatever the situation was that you were originally addressing? MODCHK (talk) 21:25, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Meh! Not an issue. Needed to remove the section tags, and then fix up the transclusion to just be a neat start to end. All evidence for why that hack that we used was abandoned. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:38, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Much tidier than my approach in any case! MODCHK (talk) 07:35, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Sort key fun

Hi,

Couldn't help but notice the recent attempts to populate the 'Sort key' field on Index: pages with the PAGENAME derived default. Finally realized there is nothing special about that field nor does it have any coding, api, php, or scripting associated with it - its always been nothing more than an input for the ol' DEFAULTSORT: magic word command via MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index template. I tweaked the existing...

• {{DEFAULTSORT:{{#if:{{{Key|}}}|{{{Key}}}|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}

to....

• {{DEFAULTSORT:{{{Key|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}}

... and that forces PAGENAME to be used when the Key (or Sort key) is left blank. Still won't visually populate that field but the execution of sorting is always set to a default nevertheless.

Too much compartmentalization going on, imho - the Page: and Index: namespaces are being pieced together from both local and server based bits & pieces rather than being compiled through one defined option-form layout based upon the usual skin(s). The results from the current approach will always conjure "ghosts in the machine" (i.e. lead to unpredictable behavior)

For instance -- open Index:Frost - A Boy's Will, 1915.djvu to edit mode, don't touch a thing, click 'Preview' then click 'Show changes'. Note the addition of fields that shouldn't require an independent refresh & save to make them present & current. More important is that you note the removal of the fully transcluded Category if that page was saved at that point. -- George Orwell III (talk) 01:07, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Yep. I was having a peek to see if the template could prepopulate with text, and I am still looking to get a defaultsort added to {{book}} so we can import that instead. Re the remainder ABSOFLUTELY. As MZM says to me, the WSs have been so bad at defining our needs, and that is a very true statement. Ori (one of the WMF's engineers) has been working on schema stuff at meta m:Schema:OpenTask so a note has been left for Tpt about this nascent(?) development (not read it yet). Now I have to try to get my head around m:Wikimania 2012 Wikisource roadmap (which is all so very boring and takes me away from transcribing). Re cats and Index template, yes, and it is even worse that HotCat gadget and Index really misbehave to the point of bugzilla:43168 — billinghurst sDrewth 02:20, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Adding Books to the sidebar menu

Hello Billinghurst! I have replied to you comments at Wikisource:Scriptorium#Adding Books to the sidebar menu. Cheers. Kaldari (talk) 06:05, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

I have replied to your comments. Kaldari (talk) 00:59, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Charles Matthews#Question on volume 32

Please weigh in. Charles Matthews (talk) 19:34, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

formatting

How again would you change the formatting for the following?

< nowiki >'< /nowiki >''text text''

Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 13:26, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Found it. Thanks, & Merry Christmas. Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:31, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

As you saw, I have been using ' though I think that the html5 coding is '. Though how in the hell we are meant to remember that I have no idea. /me blames GO3 — billinghurst sDrewth 03:49, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Please pardon both my kibitzing and in adding my $0.02: What about {{'}} (which incidentally internally happens to use &#39;!) Fairly simple to remember, and can be made robust against html++ so-called standards as they change... MODCHK (talk) 04:51, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

NO USING LOGIC AND INTELLECT! Unfair!

Fair cop. Logic usually my strong suite; but what is this Intel®LECT thing? Some kind of microprocessor perhaps? Never come across one before. MODCHK (talk) 19:33, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Pretty certain it is from lectera which is read. So probably where you read the really small text on the microprocessors. If on all chance it is not that, then — billinghurst sDrewth 22:52, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Volume information for EB1911

Please see Wikisource:Bot requests#Volume information for EB1911 and the section on my talk page called User talk:PBS#EB1911 volume info. Your thoughts on this problem would be appreciated -- (Philip) PBS (talk) 13:12, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

You were too fast for me! I have created two sections at Wikisource talk:WikiProject 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica for discussion of the points this small bot project has thrown up. -- PBS (talk) 13:41, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for cleaning up Author:Edith Louisa Floyer Butcher and Author:Laura Maria Roberts

Once more you have impressed! As you can probably tell I was getting pretty tired and frustrated with my (lack of success in) finding information about these ladies; and had done the "Damn it! I'll just save what I've got so far!" act. (I had transposed the "i" and "a" in Louisa earlier; so funny you picked up I'd done the same thing to Maria and this time not noticed... I really was tired!)

I really had thought the next person to look at these would probably want them expunged for lack of detail, so thank you for locating so much more than my paltry discoveries.

Now for the question/ruling/your opinion: What is your view on handling female authors who wrote under both their maiden and married names, as I believe both of these two did? I personally tend toward putting the base Author: entry in under the maiden name if at all possible; but I get the impression you go for the married name? Any stylistic recommendations as to a standard for noting the relationship between names? (I only used the nee twist with E. L. Butcher as I only realised late "Floyer" was in fact her maiden surname. Thanks also for straightening that out.)

Regards, MODCHK (talk) 14:47, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Yeah well, there is nothing right or wrong, I went with what you had. When I create, I tend to go with the weight of evidence. Given an option I would go with birth name, but that is just personal preference on how I record people, though always with alternative names. I more make sure that we get the requisite redirects, and their sorting. — billinghurst sDrewth 16:16, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

You have new messages

Hello, Billinghurst. You have new messages at George Orwell III's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

re: 5.55 promotion of en.wikiSource via youtube.com

Billinghurst, please look at and give your opinions on Scriptorium re: 5.55 promotion of en.wikiSource via youtube.com As always - with due respect, —Maury (talk) 04:07, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Participation vs. volume

Eh, I deal with the "hat collection" argument all the time (I just had people lay it against me just the other day on the Simple English wiki, during my ill-timed second RfA), so I try to maintain some semblance of humility. ;) EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:58, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Which is one of the clear reasons that I started and continue the awards, and with that low hurdle. We need to celebrate that as a community when we achieve something, and each month we now achieve the fact that together we start and complete a work to validated status, whether the work is of personal interest or not. For this, every person's effort is appreciated. I find that PotM is often the only area that some contribute at enWS each month, and whether it is the trinket at the end, or the ideal of the work, no idea. Wear your trinket with pride, you contributed.

To the commentary around hat collectors which is an accusation that I too have received, I give it no notice. I apply to have access to a set of tools required to do a set of tasks, and at each site, I only use a portion of those tools, but I do use them. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:19, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Heh, that rationale works well enough for me. :) I think I'll go back and restore all the boxes I've been removing while I kill time so that I show up to the NYE party fashionably late... EVula // talk // ☯ // 01:34, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

SDrewthbot

Bot approval not found. Would be nice to link to at Wikisource:Bots/List if you know where it might be. Jeepday (talk) 20:43, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

(show/hide) 17:36, 25 February 2009 Zhaladshar (Talk | contribs | block) changed group membership for User:SDrewthbot from (none) to bot (as per approval on WS:S and per WS:BOT) @ Special:UserRights/SDrewthbot, though I will need to dig in the WS:S archives to find it. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:25, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

archived at Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2009-03#Request_community_permission_for_bot_for_SDrewthbot — billinghurst sDrewth 23:35, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, updated. Jeepday (talk) 14:13, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Re:Picture Posters images

Hi and happy New Year. I've uploaded the first 20 of the 150 images to this category. These were in .png format but I am thinking of switching to .jpg because their compressed size is double that of the (compressed) .jpg format. Would that be OK? Otherwise, they are quite nice considering their age. Enjoy. — Ineuw talk 00:43, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

It is my understanding from information at Commons, that for this type of (non-photographic) image that lossless png is preferred rather than lossy jpg, information at Commons:File types. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:58, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

These images should be in color (colour) (and perhaps are I suspect) except for the first one of a lady [PP D008] who is "ugly as sin." Happy 2013 to everyone and may Wikisource progress like never before. —Maury (talk) 06:44, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Here she is in colour. It is too bad that the same image in color cannot be used when a book does not show the same images in color. The book would look better.—Maury (talk) 07:02, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Sure we can! We don't get stuck with a poor scan. We know the image is the image, and this is where we use our brains and put in the one of best quality. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:07, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

formatting

I was messing with the formatting too, and thought {| {{table style|mc|ac}} (the 'ac' part) might be all that's needed to be added to your initial edit; digits still wouldn't be perfectly aligned, but nearly so...? Prob. more important that digits are aligned? Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:53, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Fahrenheit.	Barnsdorf.
96	13
18	11
4.5	0
0	−1

Went there too, then decided that I would stick with the text's alignment with it being a scientific work following scientific formatting. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:58, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:00, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

The Early English Organ Builders and their work

Why have you decapitalized the last word of the title? --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:38, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Should I ask a similar question? I tempted to just take it to The early English organ builders and their works or the 1865 review just called it Early English Organ Builders and it seems to have been advertised that way too Advertisements & Notices. The Pall Mall Gazette (London, England), Tuesday, September 26, 1871; Issue 2065.— billinghurst sDrewth 00:49, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Are there no Wikisource standards for title links? It's not the DjVu file I'm concerned with, but how we list the work once it is transcribed. Expectations will be for a modern capitalization, despite the fact that the original has its title in all-caps. I don't hold with advertisements as particularly enlightening, as they depend upon the whim of the particular editor/publisher. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:42, 4 January 2013 (UTC) --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:42, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Info action external tools links

Hi. You'll need to customize MediaWiki:Pageinfo-footer appropriately. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 17:02, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Susannah_Lattin

Hi. This page looks like a collection of articles about a subject. I guess it is not the proper way to handle it, but I do not know what is the right way. What is your view?--Mpaa (talk) 23:41, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Typical of the contributor. Thinks that we are a scrap bucket, and his rules. We have previously moved it to a subpage of user, and I have again appended it to the same page, and "re"deleted it. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:57, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

This keeps happening...

Maybe my eyesight is not that good but I can't tell any difference. See Special:DoubleRedirects. -- George Orwell III (talk) 16:43, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Seems Byron had a similar (yet different) issue (ref 70). I don't get either of them... only that some characters that look exactly alike are actually "twin sons of different mothers": differences not visible to the naked eye, yet equally distinctive. I've had to copy/paste a Mainspace title before in order to correctly link to it elsewhere, for typing it out 'exactly' as rendered caused a redlink. Don't know if that's what's going on with the double redirects or not, but it triggered the thought. Londonjackbooks (talk) 21:27, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea why the first shows a redirect to itself. You say it keeps happening, so are you also say that it self resolves, or that you do something to resolve it. Maybe it is some unicode differentiation/respresentation of the ndash

@Londonjacks: ndash <-> hyphen issue? — billinghurst sDrewth 00:54, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Probably something like that... If I come across it again, I'll bring it up. By the way, you need to sign above. Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:47, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Sure that's actual time? Londonjackbooks (talk) 01:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Sue me! — billinghurst sDrewth 01:41, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Here's one for your header: Chump change! [a fool and his money] ;) Londonjackbooks (talk) 01:53, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Well its absolutely sure its something you're doing and no it doesn't resolve itself - look again Special:DoubleRedirects. -- George Orwell III (talk) 01:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

EB1911 transclusion

I have added a section called "Using transclusion" to WikiProject EB1911 and a new subpage Wikisource:WikiProject 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Transclusion. They are modified copies of Wikisource:WikiProject DNB and Wikisource:WikiProject DNB/Transclusion. Please could you have a look at them and make sure that I have not made any silly mistakes. -- PBS (talk) 17:24, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Umm, no. That is clearly old, and made worse. We have much improved our techniques and templates, further we have improved Proofread Page.

Have a look at what I did for {{DNBset}} which outputs to <pages>, definitely keep away from straight transcluding, or raw #LST. It would be much better to give users a quick and easy EB1911 specific template that plugs and plays. Hell, as the wise decision was made to put your pages as subpages, we may even be able to preload one with an editnotice (see mw:Help:Edit notice). I think that we have learn that as much KISS as possible with such works. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:06, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

OK I've created a {{EB1911set}} template modeled on the {{DNBset}} but I have made some changes. I have stripped out some of the options, and I have assumed that the translucent tag will be the same as the article name. I could not work out quickly how to remove the initial switches so I have left them in but simplified them. I have put in two new switches to remove the annoying "07" problem. This template handles that silently. I have updated the Wikisource:WikiProject DNB/Transclusion Wikisource:WikiProject 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Transclusion documentation accordingly.-- PBS (talk) 20:22, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I have put the same patch for the 07 problem into Template:DNBset/sandbox (as it seems odd to me to provide this really useful template and then leave a gocha for the users) -- I am not going to test it or implement it, but it is there if you are interested. It would almost certainly be possible to write the same thing more elegantly using string manipulation, but I would have had to spend time looking it up :-(

-- PBS (talk) 09:32, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Query regarding Author: redirect with categorisation.

Hello.

I literally stumbled across this whilst looking for another author, and I would appreciate your thoughts. N.B. I am referring to the redirect (not the Author:Elizabeth Thomasina Meade record referred to) currently consisting of:

#redirect[[Author:Elizabeth Thomasina Meade]]
[[:Category:Authors-Sm]]
{{DEFAULTSORT:{{PAGENAME}}}}

Isn't it a little unusual to have a categorised redirect like this? (I seem to recall some discussion railing against this;but for the life of me cannot recall who, or where I read it―biological double parity error.)

In case this form is indeed legitimate, do you have any objection to changing the DEFAULTSORT line from «PAGENAME» to "Smith, Elizabeth Thomasina", so that this entry does not stand out by itself under heading "E" in Category:Authors-Sm (which is where I originally noticed it), and correctly resorts amongst the "Smith"s?

Regards, MODCHK (talk) 19:19, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

D'oh, it was meant to be in that form. It must have been late at night when I did that redirect. Fixed. We did have a long ago conversation about categorised redirects when I proposed it (WS:S]] about 2007/8) sheesh, that long!. We only do it for authors, as the pages are meant to be a finding aid, so for each surname variation one redirct will appear. It has greatly reduced duplicates. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:54, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I really did not mean to be so rude as to suggest you made the change, but at least I now know I was reasonably on-track, and have a solid example for next time. I'd better plead tiredness myself. (By the way, I was not involved with WS back then, so it is reasonably unlikely I'd stumbled across that precise conversation. I'm nosy; but not that nosy, surely?) MODCHK (talk) 02:29, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I saw no rudeness, none. My commentary was more it was discussed, though there is no policy nor direction either way. As I expressed in an earlier conversation, I like the way you work, so please continue the "learning" challenges and hopefully I can continued informative explanations. You have your head screwed on right, and can make significant contributions locally, we just need to find you the niche most comfortable. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Re: nosiness: I'm "that nosy"... You can actually learn a lot that way. Just because information is old doesn't mean it's obsolete. Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:58, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

O.K. Between you two maniacs you have embarrassed me into finding the original discussion (Yes?). And then to rub it in further the archetypal example: Author:Emily Tennyson Smith is nearly identical to the author redirect which kicked off this whole line of enquiry. And what is worse, the two examples sort side by side in Category:Authors-Sm. What is this? 17-odd degrees of freedom to re-establish neighbours?

P.S. Must establish correct term for "one who induces-, or several who induce- manic tendencies in their target audience." Term under current consideration: "people." Give me a dog any day. MODCHK (talk) 17:55, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I never looked (nor desired to look) for the page/incident/history Billinghurst spoke of. I was just making a general statement about the learning process of "being nosy" here—in some cases. In my experience (I can/should only speak for myself), "manic tendencies" are self-induced [not chemically—unless you count coffee—but thoughtfully (imagination)] (although, of course, influenced by external sources). If it is a negative/unproductive experience for you, stay away from the source/influence. If it is a positive/productive experience, then knock yourself out! Hoping you have more positive than negative experiences here. May you (personal responsibility) let no one lead you astray (i.e., may no one but yourself "exploit the gap" in your noggin). :) Londonjackbooks (talk) 18:26, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

P.S. "Curious" is probably a better word than "nosy". [Hmm... curiosity killed the cat, but then he was probably sticking his nose into something he shouldn't have been. But then again, he has nine lives, so it's okay... unless it was his 9th ;)] Londonjackbooks (talk) 18:30, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Actually it was the reversing car that killed the cat, it was curiosity that put it in the wrong place at the wrong time. And I used to have manic tendencies but I have managed to turn it around, and now I just tend to be manic. Mad. Silly. Whatever. Congrats MODCHK, you found that I asked and prodded with all my naïve questions back then. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:50, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Humor is good medicine. Londonjackbooks (talk) 12:14, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

DNB blind links - to do

Template this #redirect[[{{subst:sandbox}}#{{subst:PAGENAME}}]] sandbox = Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900/Blind links

"The Land Down Under"

Billingsworth, why is it that Australia is called "The Land Down Under" [just read about it as "LAN" on your User page], while New Zealand is further south of Australia? —Maury (talk) 04:14, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Because we thought of it first, and it is ours! Otherwise don't let facts get in the way of a good story. Anyway New Zealand is a pissy set of little islands, and they have the name Shaky Isles, or Land of the Long White Cloud; plus it is made up of people who couldn't even be convicts; they fancy sheep; their cricket team is crap, &c. &c. &c. so we just ignore them. The penguins rule Antarctica in the really down under, but it is too cold for most to visit, plus the seals eat them. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:29, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Your "Things To Do" List

http://archive.org/details/huguenotstheirs00smil

Billingshurst, do you have any idea when you will be adding this "Huguenot" book to en.Wikisource? You have it on your on en.WS list and it is also on your link page of archives.org. My interest is in mainly on James Fontaine and his family in England and Ireland. —Maury (talk) 04:35, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Nothing imminent, I am trying to get that dratted list of "in progress/running" smaller too. We should nominate it for PotM, it would make a nice point of difference, the scan looks good, not too much complexity in the formatting, though it is quite long and may not quite get completed. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:56, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

I believe that it is good to always have some short books totally set up and waiting to be edited. There should be a list of these particular works for new people to look over. Therefore, when new people come in they see something they like and all they have to do is "edit". All of the time and knowledge it takes for some people, like myself, and others, and new people to just set up a book and get it on en.WS is a real "turn off" for some people. For some it will be too complex and that is _if they seek out and read all needed instructions to do this_. Illustrated is always nice to find/see too. Men who have made the Empire (1899) [MSN] [304 pages] G'night, —Maury (talk) 06:00, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

There would surely be hundreds of books available in the non-proofread state available … Category:Index Not-Proofread — billinghurst sDrewth 09:43, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

I looked through many of those mentioned above. One of our biggest problems is that while they many been mostly, or even totally proofread, they just are not Validated. I myself typically work on a project and validate other people's works. Last night when communicating with you I was working on Clipper Ships and then I would validate several of Beeswaxcandle's pages which are on Admiral Dewey. Not validating is a serious issue which is why we have those "hundreds of books" I also noted that many not proofread are about War. Regarding that, the volumes of the Southern Historical Society's "Papers" (American Civil War") that AdamBMorgam and I have worked on are proofread to a good extent but not Validated as usual. Only very recently, within a week, MODCHK has been working on VOLUME I which was proofread by me long ago but not validated. There are many volumes in the SHSP and several have been proofread but not validated and yet, I have asked, and been told in reply, that "validation is an important process." Therefore, somehow we need more validating done on such works. Perhaps small proofreads of the month should be combined with a validation work? But I strongly believe people will do the proofread of the month and ignore the validation. Therefore, perhaps a 2nd special and specific "award" should be included. One for proofread of the month and one for validation of the month. Any validation award should look different than a proofread of the month award. People like collecting the awards and displaying them. It worked for Napoleon (awards aka "medals and ribbons" in his situations) and it can work for us. Napoleon stated to his staff officer when asked why decorate so many men that "One medal is worth gaining a thousand men" (because they will naturally want to collect more awards) The works presently not proofread at all can be dealt with later. (1.) small work + work needing validation & a specific award for each either every month or every other month. (2.) Ofter we get concerned and talk about if we can get 2 small works in and sometimes a 3rd part small work in when we go fast as with the recent Japanese Flower arrangements that went fast. Therefore, we are doing 1-2-or even 3 small works. This can be modified to a small work plus a validation work. Presently, many new incoming books are totally processed while leaving the older non validated and non proofread works behind. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 12:27, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Talk pages

Morning. I was wondering if there was a WS page or section of a page dedicated to the policy or proposed policy surrounding the use(s) of Talk pages. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 13:54, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Umm, don't remember, though would have thought that less likely. Guidance would be "communication for the benefit of WMF or the community in general"; the general WMF terms would apply.

Also, if one edits an Index page—thereby ending up on one's Watchlist—and someone else comes along and leaves comment on the corresponding Talk page for that Index page, is the former User notified via the Watchlist that the Talk page has been edited? That is, are the pages 'linked' somehow? If no, there might be some benefit to making that the case (if technically possible). Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:56, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Watchlist is watchlist, and reacts as you configure it through your preferences. Two components, 1) General preferences, and if you have E-mail me when a page or file on my watchlist is changed set, then you will get an email for page changes; and for what sets off the trigger, you need to see how you have configured it on the specific Watchlist preference page. Talk pages notifications are paired with their equivalent 'front' side.— billinghurst sDrewth 05:51, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks. Londonjackbooks (talk) 11:49, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

{{Helpme}}

Hello.

I noticed you recently modified the above template, and was hoping you might be able to clarify (what is to me) an oddity therein. The instructional line to helpers this template generates:

Note to helpers: once you have offered help, please remove this template or replace it with {{tlf|helpme}}.

is an apparent lie, as the template itself internally uses {{tlg}}. Is this deliberate (in the sense {{tlf}} omits linkage); or is it indeed an oversight? Since I cannot decide which I thought it best to bring to your attention.

Cheers, MODCHK (talk) 01:37, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

These templates are xwiki artifacts of ugliness, though generally accepted with other equally arcane and ugly templates due to their hystehistorical nature.

The purpose of the change to {{tlf}} is to simply stop it transcluding, and hence showing up in certain flagging categories (it contains <includeonly>Category: something or other</includeonly>) and thus it will trigger a count in Special:RecentChanges (up the top). I could have equally just removed it; or <nowiki>'d it; no rhyme or reason for today's choice. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:56, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Not sure why

Regarding this comment, I totally agree with you, can the page be deleted??? Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 03:09, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Like any page it an be nominated for deletion. It seems that there was previously content linked to it, and that was the vestige. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:05, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Darwin and The Excursion

Your minor aversion (probably wrong word) to poetry led me to think of you in association with Darwin when I proofread "Poetry and Science in the Case of Charles Darwin" some time back ("...now for many years I can not endure to read a line of poetry: I have tried lately to read Shakespeare, and found it so intolerably dull that it nauseated me..."). In a recent piece ("Darwin's Life"), I learned that Darwin had read Wordsworth's The Excursion twice, so I thought it might also be something you might be able to tolerate ;) Now whether Darwin read the poem before or after the turning point "age of thirty", I did not research further. Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:20, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Hey! I have read poetry, I just don't get it as an art form. Blah blah blah. Let me tell you that I constantly wear it for not getting "artisans". Let me hide away and make my life easier. Enjoying the art and design of nature is sufficient. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:20, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

No argument from me :) Londonjackbooks (talk) 16:15, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

?Speedy

Hi, this page has somehow come up for speedy deletion, but I cannot find the template to remove it other than in the list of templates at the bottom of the screen. I've tried purging the page in case it was due to one of MODCHK's templates that I've just removed, but to no avail. ???? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:00, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Oh, can we do it? can we? can we? can we? huh? huh? huh? — billinghurst sDrewth 04:37, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

DAMN you fixed it. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:30, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Umm guys, I know you are having ***way*** too much fun here; but if I've somehow requested a cascading deletion (and I know I did not mean to do so), how about a little lesson in what I *should* have done, please? MODCHK (talk) 01:14, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

No idea what happened, wasn't concerned enough to look (somewhere between "meh" and "huh". Can we worry about it if it happens again. It is not a biggy. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:25, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

O.K. In the total absence of care, facts etc. I assume it might have been because it was a template the speedy delete transclusion applied momentarily to your page as well. I don't really plan upon making too many entries which subsequently require deletion; so I hope it is a really long time before this issue is resolved... Is that "meh" enough? MODCHK (talk) 01:40, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

January PotM

Hi, at the rate they're going with the Cycling book I suspect that this will be completed before month end. I suggest that instead of putting another work up, you switch to validating small works. Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:35, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Grind them to paste under a stack of books! <vbg> — billinghurst sDrewth 07:48, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Dunno?

I don't know if its useful or not but in my adventures on IA to fix/replace some of our rotten source files, I came across this just uploaded a week or so ago...

• http://archive.org/details/AustraliaVictoriaBmdHistoricalIndex_104

Described as "historical Victorian Births/Marriages/Deaths (Australia) stored as CSV data", I figured it might aid in your Author: data gathering efforts & best to leave you a pointer before I forget all about it. Prost. -- George Orwell III (talk) 23:27, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks presumably from the copyrighted CD products, and currently not available for sale due to the extension of privacy withholding periods. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:59, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

SDrewthbot has confusing edit summaries

http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author:Richard_Mott_Gummere&diff=4294580&oldid=4157567 has an edit summary of "→‎Translations: convert to {{Pd/1923}} using AWB" and yet does nothing of the sort.--Prosfilaes (talk) 04:20, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Yep, that was the general process that I was undertaking, but it was only half bot'able due to crap in many, so every edit was half processed by bot, then massaged by me, and manually reviewed. Those that were really ugly, I pulled out and did from my main account in public. I will make a note to the community on the bot page, as what was meant to be an easy task did get bits of tidy up. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:52, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Bot spelling error

Hi, when SDrewthbot did the run of changing twoem to bar it also changed {{hws}} to {{hypenated word start}}, which doesn't exist. Can it please put them back again? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:50, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Fixed the typo. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:16, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

{{min-width}} unsuitable for forcing widths; controlling right margins.

Hello.

Just saw your note regarding my attempt at a useful template. I think you have made a good call. Have you any suggestions as to how to redress this? If it is entirely hopeless now is probably the best time to simply delete the template before it starts causing serious problems. The only use at present is on the first few pages of Lengths and Levels To Bradshaw's Maps/Canals and Railways in the Northern Map.

Here is the background as to what I was attempting (feel free to skim, as I've got far too much detail in here):

Iain Bell pointed out to me that tabular columns of fractional lengths lend themselves very poorly to any of the default layouts., e.g.:

Imperial Quantities: Various Alignments

Default	Centred	Left	Right
10⅙	10⅙	10⅙	10⅙
6	6	6	6
0¼	0¼	0¼	0¼

My intended solution had been to try to "force" the enclosed character cell to be larger (i.e. a fixed width enclosing a proportional font) than required, so that columns could align on the numeral-fraction interface (ala decimal point alignment): {| {{ts|bc|w25}} align="center" border="1px solid black" |+ Compromise using {{tl|min-width}} via {{tl|winf}} | {{ts|ar}} | {{winf|10|⅙}} |- | {{ts|ar}} | {{winf|6}} |- | {{ts|ar}} | {{winf|0|¼}} |} as you have pointed out, has obvious flaws, including a subtle loss of horizontal centreline: {| {{ts|bc|w25}} align="center" border="1px solid black" |+ Compromise case degrades when narrow/restricted space | {{t/r|3}} {{ts|width:22.5em;}} | || {{ts|ar}} | {{winf|10|⅙}} |- | {{ts|ar}} | {{winf|6}} |- | {{ts|ar}} | {{winf|0|¼}} |} If the situation really is infeasible, I can always fall back to this approach:

Ideal (but formatting this is tedious!)

10	⅙
6
0	¼

Thank you for your patience wading through this. MODCHK (talk) 06:26, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

I am not saying that there are not valid reasons, or even necessary times when we will use width/min-width/max-width; it is about how we wisely use them. We haven't done well with defining (universal) classes to utilise in tables, especially for certain columns, and I don't think that we have explored well the use of children components. NOTE that html/css are not my strength, I am just a dabbler. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:25, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm in agreement with Billinghurst on the more elegant (& more newbie friendly for future application) solution is to have some of this framed in CSS class definitions first and [re]build our templates out as needed from there. My problem is I'm of the "old ways" (HTML, CSS and the like) and not so much about what or how wikicoding does to it. I know there are ways to automatically pad integers, both from the left and the right, to have the one, ten, hundred, etc. whole numbers as well as the milli, micro, nano, pico, etc. decimal/fraction values to all line up neatly in a table the way I think MODCHK is looking for - but damn if I know how to do it through the current wikicoding (the HTML table variants are not supported here either). -- George Orwell III (talk)

• On a related tangent to this, all indications point to a tightening in HTML element (or tag) usage in the coming months whether we like it or not. This has always been a pet-peeve of mine (i.e. we don't create [chapter] headers using any of the header tags designed just for that purpose because wikicode automatically converts them to editable sections, adding them to the internal TOC in the process; or using the paragraph tag is pointless here because wikicoding automatically adds the closing tag while the standard says its optional and many other quirks of this vein) and I get the feeling we are going to get punished for being so willy-nilly about tag usage or the lack thereof to date at some point in the near future.

  It would be nice to review all the .CSS files being applied before we even get to our local common.css but even those don't fully come up in my browser's cache anymore because it seems a good portion of the CSS defs are being micro cached on the fly now. I'm pretty sure we should begin by having all the defaults (from main to vector then monobook down to our local css') and have a group review of what we need to throw out (Tabber-tab; this means you) & what changes to high usage templates could made to further simplify them by using any combination of defined defaults. And I don't know about you guys but resource usage seems to have ticked up for me with every other batch of wmf upgrades, making certain things "slower" than they probably should be. -- George Orwell III (talk) 20:12, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

  I feel that a root and branch review would have value, and I have sort of asked if there is anyone fully CSS compliant who may be available to help us work through the bits. I was asked why I didn't put such a request to m:Tech, and I didn't have a reasonable answer. We definitely haven't a gap analysis. I know that I would like to fix layouts, and our hacky sidenotes. Probably a time to build a list, but not for tonight. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:18, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

  Yeah - I wont have any "real" free time until at least a week or two after the general elections here in the U.S. either. Sidenotes is a prime exmample however. I understand that at the time of first inception the template coding seemed the only way to go but if we just stuck with the classes in the templates rather than building into them further inside/outside or left/right mechanics primarily in the Page: namespace for rendering in the main, we should have simply added to our common.js...

jQuery( document ).ready( function( $ ) {
        $( 'body.ns-0 .sidenote-left' )
                .removeClass( 'sidenote-left' )
                .addClass( 'sidenote-right' );

... and the whole any-left-sided-moves-to-right-side thing functions pretty much like dynamic layouts do. Assign different classes in the tempates for different options and the whole inside/outside is just as easily handled; all done automatically in one namespace only, the main. -- George Orwell III (talk) 17:59, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

• Abject apologies for opening this can of worms. I guess I have proved I am not suitable for contributing towards this review (though I genuinely would follow same with interest.)
• Please note the templates are no longer in use, and as far as I am concerned may be summarily deleted as I have since reworked the original pages to use a direct table format approach (my "tedious" method above.)

Looks like I carefully planned a campaign of action; made preparations and promptly marched off a cliff...MODCHK (talk) 15:49, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

No need to apologize - everybody's input is welcome. And its not really anything you've said or done; its the changes that come down to us by those making changes or upgrades to the code every ~10 to ~14 days now instead of every 3 months or so like before. -- George Orwell III (talk) 17:59, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

{{botanist}}

Does what new user Pigsonthewing has done to this template & its documentation make sense? Microformats (and their real use/purpose) are beyond my understanding. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:57, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Microformat is of which I am aware, but not versed in knowledge, nor really the time nor the patience. It is a form of standardised XML, and allows the direct comparative, so Wikidata will be there, notifications, etc. Pretty much what TwitterCards use. Shall we run away together and sit down the back of a library and pat old books? My gut feel is that we need to invite in those who know and let them do this stuff for us. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:52, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Umm, "Twittercards"? Never 'eard of 'em. Probably something to do with Spacebook (or what ever it's called). I just want to liberate the old books from the back of the library and make them available to lots of people to pat, and sometimes this new-fangled stuff seems to get in the way. [Curmudgeonly rant ends here.] Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:02, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Aha, though this should be allowing for machine-to-machine talk, to get rid of some of the dross tasks, or at least points of connectivity, and eventually/potentially/... <shrug>. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:26, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

PD-NorwayGov

RE: Wikisource:Possible_copyright_violations#Works_of_Norwegian_government, Do you have the ability to transwiki in PD-NorwayGov or would it be easier to just copy and paste it over? JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 11:42, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

I am pretty certain that they are just built on {{license}}, AND I can/will do it. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:44, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you :) JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 11:46, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

OR we can use one we prepared earlier {{PD-NorwayGov}} — billinghurst sDrewth 11:48, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Probably merging in to here from the extras at Commons, would be good. Not really required though, I put a note at Template talk:PD-NorwayGov about the Commons License, which presumably would stay more current. JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 16:14, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

I responded your message on my talk page. Cheers, Lester Foster (talk) 02:50, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Responded again! Lester Foster (talk) 06:45, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

I have converted it to a vote

Re: edit. I don’t see any recent related edits where you made a change. Pretty sure I agree with you, just not sure what you changed. Jeepday (talk) 11:18, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Vote-lite <shrug> — billinghurst sDrewth 11:38, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

I see, saw that, thought you were talking about word changes to the policy. Jeepday (talk) 11:47, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

I was thinking a crat would come by and close them, and remove any bot flags that needed removed. Then I would do the archiving and post any votes required as an approval request. What are you thinking happens next? Jeepday (talk) 11:47, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

I think that Hesperian should do the de-bit and you can archive them, and we all light pipes in our rockers. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:53, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

I noticed a few days ago that the process seemed to have stalled. But I read something that suggested to me that Jeepday was going to handle it, which suited me fine, and also I didn't want to tread on any toes. But I guess the process does call for a crat to close, so I will get onto that shortly. Hesperian 12:09, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

I think I have done what is needful at present. Henceforth I will check in on bot confirmations at the start of the month when I am doing the admin confirmations. Hesperian 12:25, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Ok I will go work on my part. Jeepday (talk) 13:00, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Either Hansel and Gretel with breadcrumbs, or the vampire slayer (or whatever is the new movie)

Around April 5, the 90 day warnings can loose their flags if they remain inactive and/or don’t ask to keep them. If they become active or ask to keep them they go for confirmation in the next round July 2013. Jeepday (talk) 14:00, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

appending {{smallrefs}} as active references on page

Hello Billinghurst. If you take a look at the Author page for Florence Earle Coates, you'll see how whatever you worked with the references on the author subpages kind of set things awry on the Author page. The way things were beforehand made it "work" out on the Author page... somehow... Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 13:50, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Awry? To me it has just appended the refs, and removes the warning about missing refs. Format around it, or remove the individual references, as there is no point in having references and then not having them display.

Maybe you don't see what I see. Looking at each individual subpage (Works | Collections | Other Works) that you adjusted, things look correct. Looking at the Author page, which 'houses' each author subpage, the same reference is shown [incorrectly] in each 'box' (subpage), and all other references are not shown at all. Scroll down to the very bottom of the page, and you get the red Cite error message.

Most visitors will not land on the subpages... When all was formatted how I originally had it, all rendered as desired on the Main Author Page. Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:08, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Should I take this as a sign that I should simplify the page? Speaking of signs, you for got to above. Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:42, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

If you transclude the pages, please wrap the individual (subpage) components in <noinclude>. Traditionally the subpages for authors have been used to separately list long pages, rather than to be transcluded. If you are transcluding such pages, it would be great if you could still set them up as standalone subpages ({{author subpage}}, references, etc.), but then wrap components to not be transcluded appropriately. It is not about simplify, it is more ensuring that we are clear about what a page is doing (having people guess is less than ideal), and ensuring that we are managing error messages. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:49, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry. When I was designing the page way back, I basically copy/pasted from somewhere I can't now remember (I suspect not another author page); I just liked how it looked, and had no idea how it worked, only that it worked. That is still the case, and I have to admit, I'm not even 25% sure what you mean for me to do with the noinclude—where and how. I would like to be clear myself about what the "page is doing", but alas... I only know what I want it to do!Feel like assisting? You can direct me if you'd rather, but it would need to be in layman's terms and in baby steps. Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:50, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

w:Help:Template#Noinclude.2C includeonly.2C and onlyinclude, and yes I will get the pages done. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:14, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the direction and the doing. It always seems more daunting when one overthinks things. Londonjackbooks (talk) 03:40, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

What does {{#tag:pages ...}} do?

here? Londonjackbooks (talk) 13:26, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

It is just <pages> but as a tag. It has implicit quotations, so I didn't have to wrap anything. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:30, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't understand (even with the MW link). What is the benefit/difference/use, what do you mean by "implicit quotations" and what was perhaps wrapped before that isn't now? No hurried response to my questions necessary (sorry to bug you with them); I'm back and forth at the helm. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:54, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

They are the same code, same outcome, just expressed in a different way, one as a hard tag < >, the other as a soft tag {{#tag:...}}. There are occasions when soft tags (in general) are quite beneficial, even necessary, as hard tags stop some functions occurring, as you may have seem with <poem>. Here it was just a preference to do something quickly, and not have to stuff around with making sure that I was dotting Is and crossing Ts. I wouldn't fuss it, it isn't worth the hassle.

Re implicit quotations {{#tag:pages||index={{subst:BASEPAGENAME}}.djvu|from=|to=|fromsection={{SUBPAGENAME}}|tosection={{SUBPAGENAME}}}} (implicit) and <pages index=".djvu" from= to= fromsection="{{SUBPAGENAME}}" tosection="{{SUBPAGENAME}}"/> — billinghurst sDrewth 10:02, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Londonjackbooks (talk) 11:40, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

I have actually forgotten after all this time why I gave up the poem tag initially. What were/are the possible issues surrounding its use again? Londonjackbooks (talk) 13:18, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

I have no problems with it. Hesperian had a PoV. The issue for me is hard tags, not poem per se, and it is too late for that intricacy. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:15, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Okay. Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:42, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Fast validators

Hi Billinghurst. There were three fast validators doing what you described on ShakespeareFan's page. I blocked Shakespeare and Bible_in_Metre (who did it first and with inferior results.) ShakespeareFan, I haven't investigated the extent of his errors, but found one on the first page. If there's no more I'll release the block. Beeswaxcandle wanted to revalidate those two's works, but I think we should just rollback Bible_in_Metre, but I'm not sure what to do about ShakespeareFan. There was a third person, but he did it with a work that was easy to validate, so I think he was just inspired to work fast.

Questions:

1. You are here this evening--can we co-ordinate our efforts on ShakespeareFan? That is, should I wait till he responds before investigating and/or lifting the block?
2. And is there a fast way to rollback Bible_in_Metre's Vanity Fair work? I asked on WS:AN, but maybe you know?
3. And Beeswax said the two were in different countries, but he's not a checkuser and maybe he's wrong?

I will be here for 2¾ hours, otherwise, see you tomorrow. ResScholar (talk) 06:33, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm back. Have thunderstorms, and power fluctuations this evening. I will run some CU to see if we can get a better idea of what is being done. If there is anything particular please let me know. I might drop BWC an email. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:38, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I just graded ShakespeareFan's work--I caught six mistakes he could have corrected but didn't in sixteen pages. that I looked at. In books with a lot of dialogue, you've got to do more than just read. Especially a classic like Dr. Doolittle. ResScholar (talk) 08:47, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Okay and from memory they are not long pages. Do you want to ask him to stop proofreading by choice while we discuss? There is a little angst there in our discussions, so I am wary to not exacerbate an existing situation. I can understand if you would prefer that I did, seeing that I opened the can of worms. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:50, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Go to my talk and User Talk:Beeswaxcandle for more specifics. I blocked the two for a week, so work at your leisure. Oh and Bible_in_Metre is the same guy who talked to you and Beeswaxcandle on the administrative noticeboard about lifting his patrol-status. He also put his poorly-done validation on the main page in New Texts. ResScholar (talk) 08:56, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit conflict: If the checkuser doesn't reveal anything we could undo the block. He didn't do anything to aggravate the situation. ResScholar (talk) 08:56, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

No, I discovered Bible_in_metre first, and it roped him in willingly or no because of the similarity. I'll be glad to ask him not to proofread if there's no checkuser problem. ResScholar (talk) 08:59, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I was looking at CU to see if there was anything evident in the user agents in user, indictative of bots or otherwise. Both just show normal browser responses and two very different editors (not unexpected), so it would seem that we have editing/validation akin to "tick and flick". — billinghurst sDrewth 09:17, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I can't top that. Does ShakespeareFan get any consideration for his years of service, or should we wait for what has to say before offering parole? ResScholar (talk) 09:34, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

A polite request to desist until a resolution can be discussed is what I would think would be an appropriate first (and only?) request. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:39, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

(posting from main account) I don't use bots on Wikisource. I'm in the process of checking through the recent batch of validations, given that concerns were raised as to them having been done too quickly. Shall I fix and re-validate, fix and downgrade, or just simply downgrade if I find a discrepancy?

I had not IIRC marked many pages of Vanity Fair with Validated because I had concerns about 'dash' style consistency,

and was rather puzzled as to how it got done very quickly..

Do you have a list of pages that were validated too quickly ? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:25, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/Sfan00_IMG — billinghurst sDrewth 13:29, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't just thinking of my own contributions, and I was asking for a 'specfic' list as opposed to the general one.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:34, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Page:The Story of Doctor Dolittle.djvu/196‎ (typos)
Page:The Story of Doctor Dolittle.djvu/200 (typo)
Page:The Story of Doctor Dolittle.djvu/33 ‎ (quot)
Page:The Story of Doctor Dolittle.djvu/31‎
Page:The Story of Doctor Dolittle.djvu/29‎ (typo)

ResScholar (talk) 17:49, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

SFan, what is your connection with the Vanity Fair validations? We were discussing your Doctor Dolittle edits, not those. ResScholar (talk) 17:58, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

To note that we will all have misses in validation, the issue is the hit rate of errors, especially with your speed of validation. I also noticed some with another work that you were doing after the above edits. Comments that I have are italics, typos, hyphens, mdashes. It would seem that more rigor would be useful in your proofreading, and to us, we acquaint rigor having a time component. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:43, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Taking you up on your offer on Vanity Fair

Hi, what needs to happen is that all edits by User:The Bible in Metre to the Page: namespace for Index:Vanity Fair 1848.djvu, where he is the last editor of the particular page, need to be undone/rolled back/reverted/set back to Status 3 (or any other terminology). Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:32, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Done for two users where they were shown as the validators, so I am hoping that anyone who edited afterwards stuck the Validated tag into place to override. Too hard (for me) to pull last editor and still get a readily working list. So it will be more work that expected, though will probably suit the more strident around. Do we need to consider another work for similar treatment? — billinghurst sDrewth 13:34, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Bah, as I did it from my main account, to give it authority, what I didn't consider is that I now cannot validate the pages.<shrug> — billinghurst sDrewth 13:38, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Kathleen's already looked after the other work, so nothing needed there. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:42, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Maintenance tasks

Per your suggestion and some vague thoughts I had floating in the back of my head, I have created Wikisource:Maintenance/Tasks. I'm afraid I was creating this at the same time you were creating Wikisource:Maintenance of the Month/Regular tasks, so there is some duplication of effort here.

It took some time as I had to rework the template I made for this. It seemed OK in my sandbox but I noticed a few problems after going live. The whole page needed restructuring too and it is now a collection of similar subpages held together by a shared header template. Finally, I had problems just finding the maintenance categories. They were scattered across several different parent categories and I'm not actually sure if I've found all of them yet. As part of this, I have tried to organise the categories; they should all be under Category:Wikisource maintenance now and I have tried to collect them both by broad type of maintenance and by the relevant namespaces (many of the categories for which already existed).

I hope this all makes sense to other people (and that I haven't broken anything while trying to "fix" the categories). Wikisource:Maintenance/Tasks still needs things like basic directions for solving each task but it's mostly in one piece now. Is this anything like the resource you had in mind? Do you think there's anything that should be changed? - AdamBMorgan (talk) 15:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Annotations and derivative works

I have closed Derivative works on Scriptorium as a general support in favour of derivative works. Now I've set up Request for comment on annotations and derivative works to work out the details. I know its a little over detailed but I would like to solve this problem and I thought this way would be more successful than the last time. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 22:35, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Page-specific editnotices

Billinghurst, the new Community portal needs to be kept up-to-date with Ws:Index/Community, Help:Contents, Ws:Policies and guidelines, and Ws:Essays. This might be done by the users who modify these index pages. Is requesting this through an editnotice fine in your opinion?--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 13:48, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that or through adding html commentary fields giving instruction. If it looks crap through an editnotice we can just remove it, No harm in trying. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:07, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

OR we break it up and have it as component pages that have instruction, eg. main page and {{new texts}}. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:08, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

I chose HTML comments. Thanks for suggesting that.--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 12:36, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

oh that was easy. One (uiet) day I will get to and look to page editnotices. Too many other busy bees in that space at the moment. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:50, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

A colonial autocracy, New South Wales under Governor Macquarie, 1810-1821

Oops. Boss checking up. Better look busy. MODCHK (talk) 03:07, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

|{{whip}}{{kissbutt}}{{bs}}{{yeahright}}{{wtf}} — billinghurst sDrewth 03:33, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

O.K. I admit I got a good laugh out of that.

Scared to think what some of those templates might involve.

Seriously wondering why your validations of above seem to have been so forgiving so far. Probably warrants a {{kissbutt{{|}}context=beg more pay}} MODCHK (talk) 04:13, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Pictograms, or similar, some easy, some not so . So many ways to respond … opportunity … next pay grade … {{innocence}} — billinghurst sDrewth 06:50, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Ge' awa' w' ye. Thars noo way tha' emerged fro' a healthy hooma' bowel. Cue recent depressing presentation from Hesperian. MODCHK (talk) 07:42, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

I am still slightly worried you are validating without any apparent corrections. I just don't have that good a hit rate normally. MODCHK (talk) 07:45, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

A bib and a bob, but to me it looks fine. Sorry to be a disappointment. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:34, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

You may indeed have your moments when you are a complete ; but never, ever a disappointment, or lacking in either educational or entertainment value.

At last, a change: you don't seem to like {{nop}}s on chapter boundaries? I can live with that. MODCHK (talk) 10:18, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

• All teasing aside, why is Author:History of New Holland a redirect to An account of the English colony in New South Wales? Is there some historical reason for this, or is it just plain wrong™? MODCHK (talk) 10:26, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Books written by Collins NLA, and the publication dates align, even republish notes and commentary of its use. See Collins, David. So it is miscited. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:12, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

O.K. I'll buy the miscite. That still doesn't entirely explain the misname existing in the Author: namespace. That was the peculiarity I was trying to draw attention to. The chain currently runs:

1. A colonial autocracy, New South Wales under Governor Macquarie, 1810-1821/Chapter 10 transcludes
2. Page:A colonial autocracy, New South Wales under Governor Macquarie, 1810-1821.djvu/322 which has a link to
3. Author:History of New Holland which redirects to
4. An account of the English colony in New South Wales which happens also to be the destination of redirection from

3a.An Account of the English Colony in New South Wales

Perhaps you intended to refer to some kind of a chain from History of New Holland, which obviously does not currently exist? MODCHK (talk) 11:42, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

{{fuckknuckle}} thanks. That said, you should always feel welcome to have fixed them, and if you had admin rights you could have properly fixed it without poking anybody. Even worn your undies on the outside. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:24, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

I was still identifying the problem, and ensuring there was not an historical reason for things being in the strange state they apparently were. As far as I know admin rights do not incorporate telepathic abilities, otherwise we would not be at this impasse.

In any case, my undies are in exactly the right place―on my head, where they server to reduce the chafing from wearing my regulation Eccles size 19 boots on top of them. MODCHK (talk) 15:57, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Just hysterical reasons (for my incompetence). I am a denialist. I keep believing that I can multi-task despite my gender. — billinghurst sDrewth 16:06, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps the issue is in the wording, as is often the case. Maybe you can virtually multitask telepathically, and all observed problems are simply down to the (naturally inferior and thus faulty) perceptions of outsiders? MODCHK (talk) 16:18, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Umm, it seems that you think that I have superpowers, so let me state now that I am not physic! — billinghurst sDrewth 22:33, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Correction. I know you have superpowers. But by your own admission you are a denialist. Which puts you in rather a personal paradox if you don't also know you have said superpowers. Now get back to bending RSJs, robot! MODCHK (talk) 00:32, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Obviously such a paradox would be intolerable, and thus by application of w:modus tollens you have superpowers. MODCHK (talk) 00:48, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Gotcha. I was vaccinated against modus whateverus and other things when young! I have since had a booster with needlus vacuous. Nah! So clearly this is a a case of "I wasn't! I never! Dolly did it!" ™ — billinghurst sDrewth 01:09, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Another argument for the anti-vaxxers. Sigh. And I never would have noticed your {{innocence}} was not quite pearly-white if you hadn't made that last edit. There's just no arguing with omnipotence. MODCHK (talk) 01:41, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

• We shall never get anywhere in this task of mutual humiliation if I have to keep breaking the flows of genial abuse with serious questions. However, this:

In Index:Emancipate your colonies!.djvu I note you appear to have studiously avoided the use of long-S, even though the scans do contain same. Was this deliberate (and would you like any validations to reflect this change); or do you have strong feelings should I be rash enough to reintroduce them? Ground rules, please. MODCHK (talk) 02:19, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

I basically see them as an exercise in pointlessness. We don't display that way, they make proof reading hard then if we display them properly, and the Poms stopped using them for a really good reason. Some like to do them, and good luck to them. Here I request first contributor's rights not to flourish. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:43, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Makes life easier all 'round. MODCHK (talk) 03:59, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Made suggestive changes to Page:A colonial autocracy, New South Wales under Governor Macquarie, 1810-1821.djvu/362 that output at A colonial autocracy, New South Wales under Governor Macquarie, 1810-1821/Index. IMO centred letters don't really work on modern wider screens, so I modify as per example. If that is suitable, I will do the rest as I validate the index's pages. If you don't like, revert, and I will just do the anchors. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:09, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Noted (out of sequence) that you'd screw-whiffed the letter titles (I was trying to figure out how {{CompactTOCalpha}} did its magic; never used that one before. All done now.) and then read this note. Either is good, but inconsistency not. Please proceed (better not if I 'validate' my own work, eh?) MODCHK (talk) 22:05, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

The only way to demonstrate something is to leave it in place, and no point changing and validating them, if we are about to revert. I should have done a {{talkback}}, as it seems that it was another stalking me. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:17, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

You have already convinced me this is a good way to proceed (and it it not as if I claim to 'own' the project in any case. I am merely an interested observer.)

Stalking? Shadow? The ego on the creature! Anyway, can't I just be a nemesis instead? MODCHK (talk) 22:45, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

I have been doing the index deformation for a little while, and it started as most index pages where columnar and that didn't work, and they were less helpful. That saidmy ToC presentations aren't a perfect form (yet), though my more recent renditions with the ToC in the header work within annotation guidance. Hmm that needs to be added to the discussion. Such should be considered a work in progress. ToC and Index pages are things that have elements of complexity, and relying on a facsimile of the book on the web doesn't always work in the migration. Probably both need specific information pages in our Help: sections. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:40, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Bearing in mind I've just spent the last couple of hours tearing {{dotted TOC page listing}} into digital confetti, your last change comment read out of context came a a cruel blow to this stalkerputative nemesis. I nearly had an infarct to sit down and have a considered pause. After catching my breath/grasping for reality review, I see your point. I like the new-look A colonial autocracy, New South Wales under Governor Macquarie, 1810-1821/Index, and the way you've made even missing letters like U index correctly. That rather threw me, but I can now see how you made it work with multi-destination {{anchor}}s. I don't envy the help-page creator. MODCHK (talk) 03:11, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Those blinking dotted things? HATE HATE HATE. Pointless waste of time! I have adequately trained myself for tables, and just do them as wiki-standard. The main reason is that most people can come along and read them, at least read the table structure, though they may have to look up the {{table style}}. Otherwise you have to trained in the arcane to even try to proofread. One day, I will work out a way to neutralise them in the TOC index, on a spare day! — billinghurst sDrewth 04:08, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Don't go overboard―just tell us how you really feel! In which case I just know how secretly ecstatic you shall be when I tell you I just created five more of the twisty little things. MODCHK (talk) 04:54, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

New project, new here

Many thanks for the welcome. I decided to tackle the 1872 West Virginia Constitution with Amendments. The document dates from 2007 and has the Preamble added in 1960. I did see another WV constitution that lacked the preamble and was stopped at article 5, so, I thought, why not....... This will of course be ongoing, and I am learning, I hope there is not a time expectationCoal town guy (talk) 12:37, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

We would host each version of the state's Constitution, each against a verifiable source. So it is important that you pick your steady version and work to it. Getting a scan would be best, so it can be verified, see Help:Proofread. Time? yours to give. Help? The best place is Wikisource:Scriptorium where most hang out and plenty available to give help. Again welcome. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:08, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

EXACTLY. The source is the WV State Legislature, the House Clerks Office, it is their PDF that is offered to the public. Appreciate the welcome, and the keen eye on veracityCoal town guy (talk) 13:45, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Irving Fisher

There was some question as to whether this Irving Fisher and Irving Norton Fisher was the same person. I believed I looked into it further at the time, and found nothing conclusive, so removed "Norton" when I had added it... But you might have better sources(?). Londonjackbooks (talk) 10:52, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Irving Norton Fisher might be a son? Graduated Yale 1923. That's not to say his Dad wasn't a Norton likewise, but I haven't found evidence of its use yet. Londonjackbooks (talk) 11:28, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I just went off the defsort, which was a little slack. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:40, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

VIAF shows two

• VIAF ID: 27126999 Fisher, Irving, 1867-1947
• VIAF ID: 33058072 Fisher, Irving Norton 1900-1979

A quick look at some genealogy research says father-son.[1] — billinghurst sDrewth 11:46, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

US SSDI records show INF dying in 1979 ... Irving Fisher 8 Nov 1900 May 1979 Hamden, New Haven, Connecticut — billinghurst sDrewth 11:51, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

My father, Irving Fisher (1956) — billinghurst sDrewth 11:57, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

The Dictionary of Australasian Biography almost completely validated

Hi Billinghurst, I've gone through and validated all the pages I can, there's just five left where I was the proofreader so I can't validate. So when you get a chance you might want to proof those pages and update the category for the DAB to Validated. I've learnt quite a bit doing this project, I saw you created the {{Mc}} template which is great for McCulloch etc. so I've been using that. Nice work too, in adding the supplemental info to people's main article. The initial scanning was pretty good overall, but I noticed later on it seemed to have trouble with "5"s, many ending up as "6"s. I've been fixing these up, but there's probably few more in some early pages. A few of other mis-scans I saw recently were "Borne" for "Rome"; "Bladen" for "Sladen" and "be" for "he., I found a few other examples of "Borne" and "Bladen" by Google searching within the DAB and fixed those up, but there likely a few "be"s that should be "he"s still. Diverman (talk) 12:43, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

US Legislative Data Workshop

hi, i noticed your work at Portal:Acts of the United States Congresses. would you be interested in teaming with the Cato institute started at w:Wikipedia:Meetup/DC/Legislative Data Workshop and their open government xml data going forward? Slowking4 (talk) 17:54, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Gday. That was maintenance work only for OrphanedPages, so thanks for the offer, but please excuse me declining. I actually added a post to Wikisource:Scriptorium about the work from where these works were transcluded, and aligning with style, and that it was fully proofread, though not fully transcluded. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:30, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Pages I can validate

I saw your comment on Moondyne's page and tried the gadget out. Very useful, very clever. But I think it is silly that it puts a red border around every redlink. I already know that I am allowed to work on redlinks; and they are already easy enough to find. On index pages where there are a lot of redlinks (e.g. Index:Homer - Iliad, translation Pope, 1909.djvu, this gadget lays down a veriable sea of red borders, and I have trouble finding the information that I actually want.

I am going to fork the gadget code and delete the line that puts red borders on redlinks. I am wondering how you feel about me doing so in at MediaWiki:Gadget-mark-proofread.js. I'd rather do it there, but if you think that is too cheeky then I will create my own private userspace fork.

Hesperian 05:54, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Also, problematic pages should be bordered in red, not green. Problematic pages should be presented to users as "something I can work on". That this gadget automatically tags all problematic pages as "someone else's problem" is almost offensive. Hesperian 06:20, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Mate, I just stole the use of Beau's code. He said that at the time it was a rough job, and I would think that any improved code would be welcomed. IMNSHO the only pages that need to be checked and ringed are status=3 (Proofread), and then only a yes/no response. I would presume that in the long-term with the next stated goal of shared modules, that we can look to having these for all. I mind not where improvements take place. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:31, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Ahhh, that's better. Hesperian 11:22, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Whichever of you two "fixed" the above gadget: Thank you. I much prefer the way it works now! MODCHK (talk) 22:56, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Jolly glad you like it. :-) Hesperian 06:46, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

The gadget would be even more useful if it could be run on demand instead of a preference setting. ie. a link next to the purger and toolserver icons at top right on index pages. Is that possible? I often switch between several index pages and don't necessarily want to choke my system with doing this on every tab. Moondyne (talk) 23:05, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

<answer lang="strine">NFI and noice.</answer> Sounds like a better means to do this than a separate gadget. Noting I would think that it is just running on Index: pages. It is an @Hesperian question. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:50, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I agree it would be better on demand. I'm sure I know how to add it as a sidebar script; I'll have a look at the icons some time. Hesperian 04:32, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Done. I'll leave details at Moondyne's page. Hesperian 06:46, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for supporting Proofread setup in Telugu Wikisource

I am glad to inform you that we completed transcription of one complete Telugu Book on History of Andhras recently. I would like to thank you for the support extending while setting up Proof read extension on Telugu Wikisource.--Arjunaraoc (talk) 09:14, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations to you and your community. Best of luck with your future endeavours. @AdamBMorgan, I think that this makes a great mention in our news. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:34, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Abuse filter: external linking from certain namespaces

I just took a look at my Abuse log and see it has two entries. Both are for "external linking from certain namespaces" which doesn't inform me what the "abuse" is or how to avoid repeating it, if this is not a false positive of some sort. Indeed, the message doesn't even define "namespace" which might be helpful. It does appear you maintain some "filter" for abuses that triggered this which is why I'm leaving this message on your talk page. --Refrigerator Heaven (talk) 02:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

It has noted the edit, nothing more, there is nothing that you need to avoid or to change. Don't get hung up about the name used by WM, just a name of a tool. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:03, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

"Versions"

Re: "Sappho": They are two different poems, not different versions of the same poem. Should it not then be a disambiguation page? or am I misunderstanding our usage here? Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:23, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Duh, fair point. We probably then should look to have one disambiguation page, and then as many version pages as required. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:35, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Rivers to the Sea (Collection)/The Kiss

Hi. This is is not a version but a different poem than to the other (two) "The Kiss". Isn't "similar" more appropriate? Bye.--Mpaa (talk) 17:51, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

That was probably my fault. I created a versions page that should have been a disambiguation page. I have (hopefully) rectified the situation, to include changing the ov to sim. Londonjackbooks (talk) 20:24, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I am presuming that it has been corrected. I was just linking orphaned works/pages, and went off whatever had been labelled. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:33, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

smart quotes

Billinghurst, are smart quotes allowed or not? I cannot remember that rule but I have been replacing them with " when I find them. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 21:57, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Maury, see WS:STYLE#Formatting for the current thinking. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 22:18, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Punctuation: "Use typewriter quotation marks (straight not curly)." Thank you sir. —Maury (talk) 23:08, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

BUT if someone has done a *whole* work that way, then do not change it, just leave it as is, it hurts no one. This is more about direction to users about our preference to make things easier for all, and contemporary presentation. So be guided by the rules. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:34, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Billinghurst, if anyone does a large work using smart quotes I have no plans to change all of them. I would work on my own projects instead. My mention about smart quotes was about an occasional page that had both smart quotes and straight quotes. I did change those smart quotes and there were not many or I would have made a post to that editor and let him make needed changes. I just wanted to make sure *I* was doing the right thing so I asked here. —Maury (talk) 04:17, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Sure. I was more indicating be rule-guided, not rule-bound. I was qualifying, nothing more. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:43, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

I ended up thinking about this situation. I feel that there are works with both smart quotes and straight quotes that get past us even during validation month. It may be possible for one of our tech-genius' to create something that can be used to convert all smart quotes (curly quotes) into straight quotes. I do not think our works look good with some of each and I do not believe we are perfect enough to catch all smart quote marks.—Maury (talk) 14:59, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

I assume that someone can write a bot to replace all of U+201C(“), U+201D(”), and U+201F(‟) with U+0022("). One would presumably leave the double prime U+2033( ″) as is. One could try to do something similar for single quotes, but you would have to decide what to do about apostrophes. MarkLSteadman (talk) 15:30, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

a bot run is pretty easy to do for that sort of change; the issue is whether there may be a need for that special case for that formatting. The reverse is a little trickier. Put requests to Wikisource:Bot requests — billinghurst sDrewth 23:09, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

That single quote you have mentioned must also have a code that can be included. Just make all as straight quotes, left, right, single quote. Then the bot mentioned can correct all quotation marks and single quotes. Y/N?

Billinghurst, I do not think there is a "need" for anything we do on wikisource. We don't "need" to be here but we are and for our personal reasons. If a bot can eliminate problems that makes all texts clean so as not to be part curly quotes and part straight quotes then there may be a "desire" for people here to have such a bot. There may be a "desire" to have it because it makes all en.WS projects look better. It makes proofreading and validating our many texts easier. Books don't have both types of quote marks--except perhaps on en.WS. I never use curly quotes since I do not write off-line but instead only on-line here.—Maury (talk) 02:16, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Doing the inverse (straight to smart) is a little trickier but I'm sure there is some standard regex code to do it. Converting the curly quotes U+2018(‘) and U+2019(’) to the typewriter quote U+0027 (') is possible, but U+2019 is also used as an apostrophe, e.g. I’m vs. I'm. Then you have the grave accent character ASCII 96 (`) which is often available on a standard keyboard (for example, under the tilde). Do you change `foo' to 'foo' and does it have other uses where it might cause problems? There are more exotic characters out there used in transliterating languages (e.g. for glottal stops) that would be presumably be left as is, as well as the single prime character U+2032(′). MarkLSteadman (talk) 02:38, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

As an example, the left (‘) and right (’) represent two different letters in Arabic transliteration (not sure how many Arabic passages exist on en WS but something to be aware of) MarkLSteadman (talk) 02:47, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

If anyone goes ahead with this, I hope they'll bear in mind the danger of turning "‘‘This text is not in italics’’" into "This text is not in italics". Hesperian 03:34, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Hence my concern with single quotes said above. It shouldn't be a problem with double quotes (i.e. “This text is not in italics” to "This text is not in italics") If one wanted to change single quotes, one could first look for all `` and change them into " before changing single ` into '. MarkLSteadman (talk) 03:44, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Nothing is happening here. I talked about possibilities, not a plan. Anything that needs to be done goes via bot requests, and would always be a case by case run. Bots don't eliminate problems, they just do as they are told, whether what they are told is right or wrong. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:54, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Fig 770 missing

Fixed. Thanks for pointing this out.--Laverock ( Talk ) 21:12, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Reference:Ntsamr spam

This has also been happening at Envirowiki http://www.envirowiki.org where I'm also an admin. I had to contact the founder/other admin of the wiki. He has locked down the wiki so only admins can edit--locked down from 2nd April. Could you tell me what you are doing about it so I can pass it on to this admin so the wiki can be unlocked? The MediaWiki version at Envirowiki is 1.16.5. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 02:38, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

User:GertrudeL has just turned up, if you want to play with it. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:36, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

definitions

Dear Billinghurst, Thank you for your kind help in my Talk page. I have a new question! Are the users of English Wikisource allowed to add the definition of hard or archaic words or expression to the pages? If yes, where should they add them? Should they use footnote or some tools like template {{Tooltip}}? --Yoosef Pooranvary (talk) 20:36, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

I would normally add a link to the word at wiktionary. [[wikt:arachaicword|]]. The only thing to watch for is overlinking. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:00, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Moving works from Commons to WS

Sorry about this, but I noticed that one of the works I had uploaded to commons is copyrighted in the UK until 2018(its source country). The work is Democratic Ideals and Reality: A Study in the Politics of Reconstruction, with an index here, the djvu file here along with the various images collected here. The uploaded version is the British version but it was also published in the United States by Holt and Company in 1919 so it is {{PD-1923}} in the US and is therefore suitable for enWS (right?), but not for commons as mentioned above. What is the best approach to remedy this situation? MarkLSteadman (talk) 04:19, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

There is a template at Commons that I can apply there that will transfer the files. Welcome to drop a note on my talk page there for future files, alternatively ask any admin to apply Template:PD-US-1923-abroad-delete. I will get these done now. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:23, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Done the tagging and a bot will move them over. I hope that you will be able to update the files here once that is done. As a pointer for books, here and Commons, we like to use {{book}} to tag books; also at Commons they we like to use the {{creator}} for their Creator: ns, even if it is a nude {{creator:author name}} in the book or information templates. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:33, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll finish tag them all soon. MarkLSteadman (talk) 13:29, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Oops, in the end I bot'd them as I was deleting them at Commons. Please more apply a sanity check. It would also be worth looking at where we should stick the category as we haven't particularly considered the organisation well post moves. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:34, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Failed Downloads

I posted Wikisource:Scriptorium#More_Failed_down_loads a couple days ago, but no one seems to have noticed. You did a great job tracking down the other causes. Can you take a look at these? JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 10:49, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

The beast is unresponsive at the moment, so after it is back. The last change was meant to have fixed it, though I feared that it was only going to be for where the header is used rather than <pages />. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:12, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Index page notes

Hey Billinghurst,
I think that you were part of adding a note on the index page if an Index talk page existed, so if I'm wrong I apologize. Assuming I'm right, I was wondering if there was some way to limit the width of the box; currently it pushes everything to the left. Is there a way to limit it to half page width or third? I've uploaded an image real quickly to show you how it appears for me. - Theornamentalist (talk) 00:47, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Done - that entire template should have made into a proper input form by now. If anything, it should be a standard template in the template namespace; only called by the MediaWiki setting as needed. -- George Orwell III (talk) 04:08, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you George, it looks great :) - Theornamentalist (talk) 12:39, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

http://archive.org/details/inmemoriammatth00instgoog = "no meaningful content or history" ?

Billinghurst, you have deleted a great history but only on WikiSource.

07:07, 14 May 2013 Billinghurst (Talk | contribs) deleted page In Memoriam. Matthew Fontaine Maury (WS:CSD G1 - No meaningful content or history: content was: '{{header | title = In Memoriam. Matthew Fontaine Maury | author = Virginia Military Institute | translator = | section = | previ...' (and the only contributor was '[[Use...)

"(and the only contributor was '[[Use...)" = User: William Maury Morris II—Maury (talk) 13:06, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Why did you delete that work I did that was filled with meaningful content and encompassed history that changed the all maritime nations right down to including now. Even the United States Navy has the man's name as a memorial on their "navigation charts" of today due to the Brussels Conference (which also has continued from that original 1838 meeting.) Are you aware of the Brussels Conference and how it came to be and how it changed many nations and is that not "history" as well as "meaningful content"?

In Memoriam. Matthew Fontaine Maury

Take a closer look at the .pdf file from Internet Archives again at all of the history within and show how that has no history -- show how that has no meaningful content. History itself is "meaningful content"

http://archive.org/details/inmemoriammatth00instgoog

Extract from wikipedia article: International meteorological conference

" Maury also advocated an international sea and land weather service. Having charted the seas and currents, he worked on charting land weather forecasting. Congress refused to appropriate funds for a land system of weather observations.

Maury early became convinced that adequate scientific knowledge of the sea could be obtained only through international cooperation. He proposed that the United States invite the maritime nations of the world to a conference to establish a “universal system” of meteorology, and he was the leading spirit of a pioneer scientific conference when it met in Brussels in 1853. Within a few years, nations owning three-fourths of the shipping of the world were sending their oceanographic observations to Maury at the Naval Observatory, where the information was evaluated and the results given worldwide distribution.[4]

Maury was sent by the United States as advocator of his sea data collecting ideas but not for land. Still, as a result of the Brussels conference a large number of nations, including many traditional enemies, agreed to cooperate in the sharing of land and sea weather data using uniform standards.[2] It was soon after the Brussels conference when Prussia, Spain, Sardinia, the free city of Hamburg, the republic of Bremen, Chile, Austria, and Brazil, and others all joined the enterprise.

The Pope established honorary flags of distinction for the ships of the papal states, which could be awarded only to those vessels which filled out and sent to Maury in Washington D.C. the Maury abstract logs.[5] "

"No history, no meaningful content"? I do not see how that can be because it is all history, and beyond just the Brussels Conference of 1838, plus it did and always will contain meaningful content and a lot more so than many other "works" presently on WikiSource. —Maury (talk) 13:06, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

There was no work there, just a header, when you have some work transcluded, feel welcome to recreate the page, or ask me to undelete it. It doesn't do well to have headers that mislead people to think that a work exists, and especially one that is sitting there orphaned. The 'history' statement relates to the history of the file, nothing else, it doesn't reflect on the work; the content similarly relates to what was at the page. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:25, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Well then that is an entire different situation. I thought I had placed an entire book there, the one that shows in the text above and presently is on Internet Archives. I don't know why I would have just started it, almost starting nothing, and then not do the entire book. I owe you an apology and I hereby do apologize to you. I ask that you forgive me for my not understanding but in what was deleted, as shown in the [deletion log], I could see nothing and thought it was the entire book. Thank you for the explanation. —Maury (talk) 14:14, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Sure, and no worries. Rest assured that if there was anything like that I would be discussing it with you directly. No need to get your knickers in a knot, always happy for a gentle enquiry. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:21, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

recovered it and moved it to your subpages User:William Maury Morris II/In Memoriam. Matthew Fontaine Maury — billinghurst sDrewth 14:24, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Index:In_Memoriam._Matthew_Fontaine_Maury.djvu is on wikisource

Moments ago I found the entire book here on wikisource along with the images and all pages but one have been validated. Would you please validate the one page? It has been sitting there a long while ready to be completed. I have helped in many validations for you and others and yet my plea in the past about this remains untouched -- one simple validation. I knew I had done that entire book but didn't know if I placed on Project Gutenberg or elsewhere. Kind regards, —Maury (talk) 20:58, 14 May 2013 (UTC) Index:In_Memoriam._Matthew_Fontaine_Maury.djvu

I will see how I go during the day. Please look to use internal wikilinks, where you can. You can just paste the title name. 1) internal links allows the system to know what is linking where, and with backlinks, run reports etc. 2) when you force a url, especially with a http or https protocol it takes some of out of our logins. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:21, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you and while I am not sure what you mean, I often use internal WikiPedia Links, or do you mean something else? If I can get that book, one page after a year, Validated and then "transcluded", I will wikilink the hell out of the book because (1) it is only 32 pages long and (2) I know the people (I write in the present tense about them) and history and place names mentioned. For decades, before these wiki areas existed I studied and learned more of what I already knew of Virginians and other people and deeds associated with them. I started it as a child with my grandmother teaching these things to all of her grandchildren and for me--against my father's wishes for he had a different philosophy than his mother)--but still, my father needed my grandmother to "babysit" so he shut up and let his mother teach us about Virginians and families or he would end up sitting at home instead of going out to dance and eat with his friends. Besides, I have always had an intense interest in what my grandmother taught us kids and beyond confirmations of what she taught us. These are not just books to me, they go far beyond that simplistic idea. Thank you, —Maury (talk) 01:16, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

You also regularly use full urls rather than internal wikilinks, eg. here and I converted the link in my reply. It adds elements of difficulty when that is done on other internal pages. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:49, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

I did not know of, and have not seen, any rule (is this a preference or a rule?) existing where people on enWS were not supposed to use a full url on a Talk Page. In the past when I worked on articles on Wikipedia I never used full urls or what I would call an open or closed url. That's easy to change but I know of no enWs rule about it. —Maury (talk) 10:33, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Clearly people are too polite to you. It should be self-evident that internal links (soft) links and the fact of their creation and their preferred use are the preferred means to link, and how the system is set up to manage and accordingly interrogate all such links. If soft and hard links are all equal then there is little point in having both. You can either take my word and experience on the matter or not. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:47, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Aren't people polite to you? I know you work on a other wiki areas so perhaps they aren't. It is good that people are polite to each other and it is self-evident that politeness is needed on every wiki area to constructively build up any given wiki area by the process of helping one another--or as Hesperian recently stated to me on a project we both worked on--"Teamwork" —Maury (talk) 04:41, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Not what I said, nor what I meant. I am not in the mood for tangential rhetoric today. I have done up the links that indicate that address these matters w:Wikipedia:Wikilinks and w:Help:Link. I hope that they assist. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:54, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Billinghurst, I fully understood and understand now what you mean as well as what to do and not do aside from this reply. I do not care for your personal insults to or about me regardless of how much authority you weigh in here. You are the one who started this silly situation, back at least to your statement of "Don't get your knickers in a knot" which since you are British as you posted long ago, you should now know the original statement was "Don't get your knickers in a twist". I look up at your statements above and I can take those apart piece by piece whether it be a sentence or a word or one of your erroneous assumptions. Let it go and be more civil or pick someone else to annoy since I did nothing to you to elicit your offensive statements. Above in a portion of one of my sentences I wrote, "That's easy to change..." BUT onward you continued on the situations. If you don't want me here for some personal reason just say so but don't try playing headgames with me because you would never win unless you can spend 7 years or longer as I did in a debate with a professor long ago on the topic of the American Civil War. —Maury (talk) 09:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

PSM watch clarification

I’ve been utilizing this filter to see what and where other editors are working on. After being minimally active for the past couple of weeks, I activated the filter and it was blank. Then, I only got results displayed until April 30 by specifying 500 records and 30 days, although editors were working on PSM more recently. For example: User:Maxime.Debosschere, who applies his keen eye to proofread or validated pages, according to his user contributions, he was last active on May 11, but the filter won’t display it. Since his work requires patrolling, does this affect the filter display? Thanks. — Ineuw talk 15:34, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

It seemed to me that MD was editing well and sufficiently enough to be excluded from the filter, and in asking Mpaa they said that they were not utilising it. As the filter was not evidently being utilised, I turned it off otherwise it is just filling the abuselog file for no real function. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:43, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

OK.— Ineuw talk 17:06, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

If you are using, then we can turn it back on, though we should be actively managing the list of people who should be whitelist'd from its tagging. I do not see that it should be used for general edit patrolling that is the purpose of the 'patrolflag' (red exclamation). It should be used for those who are not familiar with your project and the formatting that you have in use. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:19, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer, but don’t turn it back on. I was using it for your stated reasons as well, but everyone is following the format, and corrections made to my missed work is much appreciated. I will use the Recent changes instead.— Ineuw talk 06:27, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

ProofreadPage on FiWS

Our hard-at-work devs are making progress on a ProofreadPage bug that affects foreign language Wikisources, e.g. FiWS. They made a new bug report, number 47596, after they identified an underlying problem. Unfortunately, nobody is assigned to the bug, and progress is again stalled. There is some issue with Proofread page mixing up canonical and localized namespace names. Would you please take a look? Kindly, Heyzeuss (talk) 14:01, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Hiya. It shouldn't be affecting the local wiki at all in a "stopping work" sense. That bug is solely so language-imbeciles like me who cannot manage foreign language namespace can type Page: and Index: for your namespaces, etc., rather than Sivu, Keskustelu sivusta, Hakemisto and Keskustelu hakemistosta. My understanding of the bug is that it will effect all the WS wikis, so rather than them manually having to do it for each wiki, there will be an underlying component that has it, and the namespaces will be formally known by those for the language of the wiki. So if there is an issue with PrP at the wiki, it shouldn't be this. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:39, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Three things:

• PrP does not work as it once did. The pdf pages were a bit slow, but at least they would load up. Do you have any idea why they will not load anymore?
• Is it possible to correct the namespaces' canonical names manually, since the needed patch to PrP is not coming soon?
• Some of my work has been lost in the process of correcting namespace numbers. The index pages have been recreated, but the table of contents that I made, which took some time, is no longer there. Is there anyone who has both the expertise and the time to recover some of it, starting with index pages (1 & 2)? Heyzeuss (talk) 20:39, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I am going to have to sit and ponder this. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:19, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

No worries. :) Heyzeuss (talk) 20:39, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

As to the third thing, I fixed the index page, and I have made a request at bugzilla:40759 for a maintenance script so that we can get our lost work back. Heyzeuss (talk) 23:06, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

{{Gap}}

"it was right this way" Why? There is already the "he" interwiki on the documentation subpage. --DixonD (talk) 14:48, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

there is nothing wrong with <onlyinclude>, so it was right that way, and no specification for the change. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:11, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

In this particular case changing <onlyinclude> to <includeonly> or back doesn't change anything. The main intention was to remove duplicate "he" wiki. Should I comment every obvious edit in order for it not to be reverted? --DixonD (talk) 16:20, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Comments are always helpful, especially to semi-protected and widely-used templates. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:55, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Tech news — 2013, week 21

Latest Tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes.

Recent software changes

(Not all changes will affect you.)

• The latest version of MediaWiki (version 1.22/wmf4) was added to non-Wikipedia wikis on May 13, and to the English Wikipedia (with a Wikidata software update) on May 20. It will be updated on all other Wikipedia sites on May 22. [2] [3]
• A software update will perhaps result in temporary issues with images. Please report any problems you notice. [4]
• MediaWiki recognizes links in twelve new schemes. Users can now link to SSH, XMPP and Bitcoin directly from wikicode. [5]
• VisualEditor was added to all content namespaces on mediawiki.org on May 20. [6]
• A new extension ("TemplateData") was added to all Wikipedia sites on May 20. It will allow a future version of VisualEditor to edit templates. [7]
• New sites: Greek Wikivoyage and Venetian Wiktionary joined the Wikimedia family last week; the total number of project wikis is now 794. [8] [9]
• The logo of 18 Wikipedias was changed to version 2.0 in a third group of updates. [10]
• The UploadWizard on Commons now shows links to the old upload form in 55 languages (bug 33513). [11]

Future software changes

• The next version of MediaWiki (version 1.22/wmf5) will be added to Wikimedia sites starting on May 27. [12]
• An updated version of Notifications, with new features and fewer bugs, will be added to the English Wikipedia on May 23. [13]
• The final version of the "single user login" (which allows people to use the same username on different Wikimedia wikis) is moved to August 2013. The software will automatically rename some usernames. [14]
• A new discussion system for MediaWiki, called "Flow", is under development. Wikimedia designers need your help to inform other users, test the prototype and discuss the interface. [15].
• The Wikimedia Foundation is hiring people to act as links between software developers and users for VisualEditor. [16]

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Slash and burn

I believe you have OTRS access? If so can you take a look, after this Difference between revisions of "Wikisource:Possible copyright violations" the work started getting updates and the Copyvio tag came off. Usually the OTRS people will post something on the talk page, of the work in question but the talk page is a red link currently. Jeepday (talk) 23:45, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Within OTRS I have access to the info@ws email address, not to the en-permissions queue. My understanding is that the progress with the permissions queue is glacial. The best that I can do is try to wave at people and see if someone will pay attention. Maybe you have interest in getting access to the queue, seems like a reasonable idea. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:18, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Let me think about asking for access to the queue, just got back from a long holiday, and the stack of things to due is large. My feeling is that we are not inappropriately violating anyone's rights on the work, so I am ok with leaving things on the work as they are developing until we get more detail. Jeepday (talk) 12:31, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

(-: What a great idea, and what I had been thinking. Let me know when you put something up at m:OTRS/Volunteering as I would like to have my boot prints of support on that application. Can I note that just make the application as these things take days to get into place anyway. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:23, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Applied. Jeepday (talk) 14:09, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Commented and suggested another (quiet) queue. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:19, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Index:History of the Anti corn law league.pdf

Any chance of some assistance on this? I'm trying to get it finished, but would appreciate a second eyes person.

In addition, it mentions a number of prominent individuals, and it would be reasonable given your work on the DNB if you would consider inserting appropriate cross referencing if that's reasonable. Wikisource is NOT paper! ;) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:39, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I am not picking up new big works at the moment, I have a backlog on those already. So I am unable to do more than fly-by edits. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:12, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Tech news: 2013-22

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes.

Recent software changes

(Not all changes will affect you.)

• The Translate extension and Universal Language Selector were enabled on Wikimedia Commons on May 20. Commons users can now easily change languages, and translate pages with a friendly interface. [17]
• The Notifications feature, active on the English Wikipedia, now supports local blacklists and whitelists. It is possible to hide users (for example certain bots) from all notifications on the wiki. Also, e-mail notifications are now grouped. [18] [19]
• The first stable release of MediaWiki 1.21 for sites outside Wikimedia was published on May 25. [20]
• The tool storing information about languages (CLDR) was updated to the latest version (23.1). [21]
• Due to a software issue, users couldn't enable or disable Gadgets. The issue is now fixed.

Future software changes

• MediaWiki will stop supporting XHTML 1.0 and HTML versions lower than version 5. HTML5 will now be the default language for pages created by the software. [22] [23]
• The software will check if all uploaded files are secure and match their type. [24]
• The Wikimedia Commons Android app will come out of the beta phase on its next release. [25]
• Account creation by manual log-in will now be recorded in the account creation log (bug 42434). [26]
• Links to file description pages will again be accessible directly from within videos (bug 43747). [27]
• The software behind recent changes patrolling was re-written; the change fixes issues related to patrolling new pages, among other things. [28]
• During a meeting, developers agreed on rules about making big changes to the software. [29]
• There is now a category to list pages with invalid music code. [30]

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More portals in the portal parameter

Sorry I've been a bit slow on this but I've added more portals to {{plain sister}}, which should filter through to all the headers without additional editing. The new version can take up to ten portals, rather than the previous three or suggested four, just to cover any future requirements. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 23:17, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

The Glove and the Lions questions

Hi, Billinghurst, what should be done with this page? It was created by an IP user and looks like a test edit. Thanks—Clockery Fairfield ^{(talk·contribs)} 16:25, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Killed it. Thx. Usually you can just mark it with{{sdelete}} and someone will clean it up. — billinghurst sDrewth 16:39, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I didn't know whether to put {{sdelete}} or just plain {{delete}}, so I thought I'd ask you. Sincerely—Clockery Fairfield ^{(talk·contribs)} 17:08, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

At some ancient time of wiki history (prior to my arrival) this community morphed away from what is now a broader community standard of "delete" to "speedy delete". Such is life. We have all been there, and it is no problem to be answering such questions. It also means that we have failed in our information, so it would be useful if you could say where you may have looked and we failed to tell. If I can be so bold, you may even want to have a crack at making the improvement. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:09, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

We were crap! I have added help text to the two templates, and twiddled the deletion policy page with the addition of an "in practice" section, and at some point we need to look at the respective Help: pages to see what needs to be tweaked there. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:35, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Your DMM discussion with Phe

Hi, I interpret Phe's response as "give up on the DL format and go back to ordinary format of a sub-page per article." If so, I'm going to need bot help to change the format of all the internal links. (I don't think I can face going back through all 768 pages again.) We'll also need to bot-create the sub-pages based on the section names we've used. The pages already created can remain, with some tweaking, as an index to the contents. These I can manage, although the rest of the series will have to be created as they're proofread. Do these thoughts match your thinking? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:09, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

IF an export as EPUB is required for the work, the options are waiting for someone to develop something for us in Lua. Based on probability and luck, if someone was going to jump out of the WS bushes and give us something ... it wouldn't be a lua model based on current developmental rates. In lieu of that it is pretty much "yep" and "<deskthunk>", though I was currently letting it sit and distil.

Thinking out of an orifice, we won't need to touch the page: ns. They are simply sectionalised, and proofread. After that it is just start and finish against sections, and the push technology. If we cannot get it done in pywiki, I would guess there is a means that I can force it with an AWB module. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:41, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Already available info coded in DL should be enough to build the <pages ... /> tag. Pushing the pages can be done with pywiki. What would be needed is definition of naming convention for pages in Main ns (Same as section tags?) a and a ToC in the Index page to fully exploit header=1 feature.--Mpaa (talk) 09:41, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

That all depends on the model that you want to use once free of the constrictions. Do you wish to consider a custom header, akin to {{DNB00}} where you can include contributor detail, which was backed up by a complete template format of {{DNBset}}. I doubt that <pages header=1> is going to work for a biographical work, as linking to Wikipedia and sisters is too awkward. I am hoping that the articles have the section labels that match the account names, if so, we are sweet. Then you need to consider your prev/next setup the straight list A-Z or in the order that they are in works and appendix. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:01, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

There's already a custom header that InductiveLoad made a few year's back {{DMM}}. It needs some further work to include the contributor. Using header=1 would just annoy me, the loss of control is not worth the convenience. The section names I've used were designed to make sense to the reader and therefore will be fine as article names. For the prev/next I was thinking to make it simple and have it botted in book order. The TOC will deal with the alpha order. If it proves to be a nuisance I can manually make the adjustments to include the appendix articles in the sequence, there's not that many new articles in the appendix to make it a problem. I'm well beyond my bed-time, so will leave it at that for the time-being. By the way, all of volume 1 has been proofed. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 10:41, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I have no say in this as I did not worked on DMM other then a small assistance. I was just assuming the schema was the same as the current. Header=1 has the mentioned drawback of the external links, but I think loss of control is actually gain of control, as information on sequence is sitting in one place and not hard-coded in each and every article. Probably not the case of this work, which has a solid base. I am know looking into CE1913 and the prev/next sequence is spread over 10000 pages, a nightmare to be fixed if one makes the wrong initial assumptions. I think it would be advisable to explore the idea behind DL and select prev/next dynamically, fetching info from a predefined dictionary sitting in one page (more or less what header=1 does, with the addition of being able to use more flexible headers).--Mpaa (talk) 11:01, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Looks strangely familiar

Hi Billinghurst, could you please check this user page? Somehow, it reminds me of the user page (Lula Janes) which you deleted yesterday. Not only that, now that I come to think of it, you had earlier deleted this page, if I remember right. On the other hand, I may be mistaken… Sincerely—Clockery Fairfield ^{(talk·contribs)} 13:56, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, yes a NTSAMR spambot. Deleted; killed IP (looks like someone's home pc has been hijacked), updated spam filter, and did some work on the global spam blacklist. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:11, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Extra Word at End

I've seen how you edited and validated one of the pages that I did: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Works_of_the_Rev._Jonathan_Swift,_Volume_13.djvu/120. I see that you added the word at the bottom to the footer. I put a series of questions on the Help page, and one of them included whether I needed to include such words. In this work, the publisher chose to add the first word of the next page at the bottom of each page. Occasionally, there are other publisher's marks, such as D 3, at the bottom. Someone (I don't remember who) said it was my choice whether I should add those to the footer. I chose not to. I'm assuming, from your edit, that I should do it. If so, I'll go back and fix all of the pages I've done. Should I?

Also, is it okay to use the running header in the footer? I had also asked that question, and no one answered.

Thank you!

Susanarb (talk) 15:06, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Gday, apologies if we missed your questions elsewhere. You can {{RunningHeader}} anywhere it makes sense to use it ( be it three or four divisions across a page, or float left & right), though I have seen it to centre text which would be a misuse. Re the trailing word which is the first word of the subsequent page, as it is cosmetic, it is down to preference, and I have habitually done it, and just did. <shrug> Absolutely no need to revisit those pages for that. To note that from my observations it was stylistic of works published in the late 18th and early 19thC. I will see if I can uncover your missed questions tomorrow, or just poke them here. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:15, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you again! I have tried to find my questions -- I thought I had saved the website, but apparently didn't. Most of them were answered. The thing that I've had the most trouble with, though, is combining commands. For example, I can't find a way to combine {{outdent}} with {{tl:SIC}}, or fonts such as {{smaller}} with a formatting command such as {{center}}. I find that, whether I leave them in their separate brackets, or combine them in one, separated with a |, only one of them will work, and the other appears as text. Is there a trick to this? Susanarb (talk) 17:58, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Susan, thought I'd chip in here. We can nest templates, so {{center|{{smaller|Lord Windermere}}}} will centre smaller text. You can, of course, nest them the other way around. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 22:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

^^^What he said. One comment — the order of nesting will depend on the order you want to start and close, and some nesting doesn't work over large text ranges (<spans>s and <div>s). One rider — in a very small number it will just break due to some weird combination; just prod someone. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:10, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you! I'm finding this to be fascinating, and I'm getting more and more comfortable as I go. Here are more questions, as I look to the future:

• Do I need to wait for someone else, like one of you, to validate my pages? Or will I be able to do my own someday?
• I was going to wait until I'm finished with all of the pages before I learn how to combine the pages into chapters, or in the case of the work I'm proofreading, letters. But I'm getting curious, and want to starting combining pages right away. Should I wait until all of the pages are both done and validated?
• I left a difficult page alone: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Works_of_the_Rev._Jonathan_Swift,_Volume_13.djvu/114. As you can see, my attempt at reproducing it doesn't look very good. Do you have some tips to help with it?

Thanks! Susanarb (talk) 01:07, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

1. Our policy is that two different people look at every page in the Page: namespace. So, you won't be validating your own proofread pages, but you are able to validate the work of other editors.
2. You don't have to wait to transclude the pages. Once a chapter is completely proofread in the Page: namespace, then it can be brought through to the mainspace.
3. I've used a table for this page. Have a look at what I've done as it's easier to understand tables by looking at real examples rather than by description. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:25, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Marvelous! Thank you, thank you, thank you! {Forgive me. I've read too many of the letters to Jonathan Swift, all of which are full of praise, gratitude, and other such extremes. I think it will be weeks before I am able to stop excessively praising all I see.) Susanarb (talk) 02:43, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Susanarb it is a delight to hear that you are enjoying what we have on offer. As a means to get the validation stage done on works, we have a special effort in November each year, plus we have a category where they are listed, and plus some lists around the place where we can try to influence people.

Wikipedia has a page about wikilinks which is good reading. Basically if you copy and paste the "page title" you can wrap that in [[ ]], so you can get something like Page:The Works of the Rev. Jonathan Swift, Volume 13.djvu/114. There is lots of reasons why this is better, primarily neatness and ability to track, and piping the link, etc. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:23, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Gooru Das Banerjee

Hi Billinghurst, where did you get the date of birth for this author from? Because the Wikipedia article on this person states the date of birth as 1844, not 1848. Or maybe they're different people. Could you please check? Thanks—Clockery Fairfield ^{(talk·contribs)} 07:43, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

special:WhatLinksHere/Author:Gooru Das Banerji, not yet transcluded the page. Feel free to move the author page if there is a modern spelling. That work is one that I added ages ago, and at the moment, someone else is hacking away, so I am doing some validation as I patrol their edits. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:49, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. That dictionary may just possibly be wrong, but on the other hand, it may just as well be Wikipedia. Sincerely—Clockery Fairfield ^{(talk·contribs)} 08:03, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia's right. —Clockery Fairfield ^{(talk·contribs)} 08:03, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Tech news: 2013-23

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes.

Recent software changes

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• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf5) was added to non-Wikipedia wikis on May 29. It will be enabled on the English Wikipedia on June 3, and on all other Wikipedias on June 5. [31]
• The Tamil Wikipedia shared a Lua module they created to automate their Main Page. [32]
• There is now a test wiki to test new features in right-to-left languages. [33]
• The Thanks feature was added to the English Wikipedia; users can now thank others for individual edits. [34]
• The new interface for account creation and log-in is now the default on 30 wikis, including the English Wikipedia, Commons, Meta, and Wikidata. The feature will be added to all wikis after June 5. Users can return to the old look by adding ?useNew=0 to the web address. [35]
• Videos are now played in pop-up windows if their size on the page is smaller than 200 pixels (800 pixels on the English Wikipedia). [36]
• Opening your talk page now marks notifications as read, for wikis using the Notifications feature. (bug 47912) [37].
• All autoconfirmed users can now reset transcoding of video files; previously only administrators could do this. [38]
• The Nearby feature allows people who use mobile devices to see Wikipedia articles about objects and places around them. [39]

Future software changes

• The PostEdit feature is now part of MediaWiki, and will work on all wikis. (bug 48726) [40]
• The Narayam and WebFonts extensions will be replaced by the Universal Language Selector extension. [41]
• MediaWiki will now be updated every week, starting on June 6. Thanks to this, bugs will be fixed and features will be added faster than they are now. [42]

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IP vandal

Hi, Billinghurst. Could you please deal with this IP user? They're a possible (probable) vandal who did this and this. Sincerely—Clockery Fairfield ^{(talk·contribs)} 17:05, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I will have a look. Best spot to report problematic edits for admins is at Wikisource:Administrators' noticeboard, especially at the moment when I am somewhat limited in responsiveness due to time restrictions and travel requirements.

Tech news: 2013-24

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes.

Recent software changes

(Not all changes will affect you.)

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf6) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on June 6, and to non-Wikipedia wikis on June 10. It will be enabled on all Wikipedias on June 13. [43]
• An alpha version of the VisualEditor was enabled on all Wikipedias on June 6. Please test it and report problems. [44]
• Several VisualEditor bugs have been fixed; users can now add, edit and remove categories using the editor's "Page settings" menu.
• Wikimedia error messages will no longer link to the #wikipedia [[<tvar|meta-irc-chans>:m:IRC/Channels</>|IRC channel]] on Freenode. [45]
• The logo of 16 Wikipedias was changed to version 2.0 in a fourth group of updates. [46]
• A test instance of Wikidata is now available at test.wikidata.org. [47]
• Users can now patrol the first version of a newly created page if they visit it from Special:NewPages or Special:RecentChanges. [48]
• Translation pages will no longer include edit section links (bug #40713). [49]

Future software changes

• A report on mobile upload errors was published, and software changes to reduce their number will come soon. [50]
• A request for comments on updating MediaWiki to use RDFa version 1.1 was started on MediaWiki.org (Gerrit change #67608).

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20:05, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Encouragement

'Ello.

Saw your little rant here regarding sledgehammers and nuts and proportionate response (It is yours, isn't it?), and wish to express my support/agreement (and also interest if you get any useful reaction.)

It would be sort of nice to know what is expected. (You know, this could be the answer to {{dotted TOC page listing}} that you've always secretly wanted! Just think of the damage free-for-all CSS editing could instigate. What, me, stirring?)

That aside, way-to-go! MODCHK (talk) 14:19, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Early English Adventurers in the East by Arnold Wright

Hello Billinghurst,

I am sorry to say I stumbled upon a problem I cannot resolve with the book in the subject. I uploaded the pdf file I found on archive.org and after I started working on it I found that the OCR text was scrambled in all pages. I decided that djvu file could be a better idea, so I uploaded a djvu file and renamed the pages I already started, to correspond to this new file. Then I purged the pdf file. But the wikisource would say "no such file" at the new index page and this issue was not resolved after I uploaded the file again. I checked the djvu file on my computer and it seemed OK. I do not know what happens to it when it gets uploaded. I could use some help I guess. Sorry for the trouble. Tar-ba-gan (talk) 16:10, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-25

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

(Not all changes will affect you.)

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22wmf7) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on June 13. It will be enabled on non–Wikipedia sites on June 17, and on all Wikipedias on June 20. [51]
• The Narayam and WebFonts extensions were successfully replaced by Universal Language Selector on June 11. [52]
• VisualEditor news:
  • VisualEditor was temporarily disabled on Wikipedia sites on June 14 due to an issue that inserted a lot of HTML code. The issue is now fixed and VisualEditor works as before.
  • Users can now use VisualEditor to add images and other media items from their local wikis and Wikimedia Commons. [53].
  • VisualEditor also allows editing references. [54]
• The new Disambiguator extension, which was previously part of MediaWiki itself, was enabled on test wikis. It adds the magic word __DISAMBIG__ to mark disambiguation pages. [55]
• The newly enabled Campaigns extension allows Wikimedia Foundation data analysts to track account creations that result from a specific outreach campaign.

Future software changes

• Universal Language Selector will be added to the Catalan (ca), Cebuano (ceb), Persian (fa), Finnish (fi), Norwegian Bokmål (no), Portuguese (pt), Ukrainian (uk), Vietnamese (vi), Waray-Waray (war) and Chinese (zh) Wikipedias on June 18. [56]
• Starting on June 18, VisualEditor will be randomly enabled by default for half of newly created accounts on the English Wikipedia to test stability, performance and features. [57]
• Two new webfonts (UnifrakturMaguntia and Linux Libertine) will be added to wikis that use Universal Language Selector. [58] [59]
• It will now be possible to hide the sidebar while using the Translate extension to reduce distractions (bug #45836). [60]
• A patrolling link will now be visible for un-patrolled pages, even if users don't visit it from Special:NewPages or Special:RecentChanges (bug #49123). [61]
• A request for comments on enabling a new search engine for MediaWiki was started.

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EdwardsBot (talk) 22:27, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Translation namespace

Billinghurst, have you reported a bug yet to create the Translation namespace? I have searched Bugzilla, but I haven't found it. If you want, I will report it.--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 13:51, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Tech news: 2013-26

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

(Not all changes will affect you.)

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22wmf8) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on June 20. It will be enabled on non–Wikipedia sites on June 24, and on all Wikipedias on June 27. [62]
• Universal Language Selector was successfully enabled on the Catalan (ca), Cebuano (ceb), Persian (fa), Finnish (fi), Norwegian Bokmål (no), Portuguese (pt), Ukrainian (uk), Vietnamese (vi), Waray-Waray (war) and Chinese (zh) Wikipedias. [63]
• The new interface for account creation and log–in is now the default on all Wikimedia wikis. The old look is no longer available (bug #46333). [64]
• The TimedMediaHandler extension now supports native FLAC files. A discussion to allow this file type is taking place on Commons (bug #49505). [65]
• After a test period, the Disambiguator extension was enabled on the English Wikipedia on June 18. [66]
• VisualEditor news:
  • A VisualEditor bug temporarily made all new accounts unusable. The issue is now fixed and account creation works as before (bug #49727).
  • A high importance file insertion bug has been fixed, but the feature does not work perfectly yet. [67]
• It is now possible to synchronise local CSS and JavaScript files with the beta cluster. This should make it easier to test software features before they are enabled on live wikis. [68]

Future software changes

• The default link to a help page on editing, visible below the editing window, will change on almost 600 Wikimedia wikis and will now link to MediaWiki.org (bug #45977). [69]
• Universal Language Selector will be enabled on wikis without language versions (such as Wikisource and Wikispecies) on June 25. [70]
• The AbuseFilter extension will allow filtering links and HTML code for page creations. [71]
• The related changes special page will now include upload log entries. [72]
• It will soon be possible to choose the language of SVG files that contain translations. [73]
• MediaWiki will now allow converting audio files from one format to another. [74]
• The Wikidata technical team has started a discussion about how Wikidata can support Wiktionary. [75]
• The search feature on Wikimedia sites is planned to be modified to use Solr on all wikis by the end of 2013. [76]

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18:07, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Tech news: 2013-27

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

(Not all changes will affect you.)

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf9) was added to test wikis on June 27. It will be enabled on non–Wikipedia sites on July 8, and on all Wikipedias on July 11.
• On Wikisource, the canonical names of the "Index" and "Page" namespaces in the Proofread Page extension are no longer localized (bug #47596). Please check scripts that depend on $wgCanonicalNamespace. [77]
• A JavaScript problem caused the "View history" and "Add topic" tabs in the Vector skin to be moved into the drop-down menu on right-to-left wikis. The issue is now fixed and links are visible as before (bug #50196). [78]
• There was a short site outage on June 28.
• The automated Category:User pages with missing files now includes broken file links inserted inside the <gallery /> tag (bug #50119). [79]
• The Nearby feature is now enabled on Commons and shows images in a user's area. [80]
• There is now a special page listing disambiguation pages for wikis that use the Disambiguator extension (bug #44040). [81]
• The old version of the Article feedback tool (version 4) was removed from wikis that still used it. [82]
• VisualEditor news:
  • Many bugs that caused text to be removed or damaged have been fixed, including one related to copy-paste (bug #49816).
  • VisualEditor now offers a visual interface to edit references.
  • In preparation for enabling the VisualEditor on a wider scale, new documentation has been created, including a list of frequently-asked questions and a user guide with many images. Please help with translations.
  • Several problems related to overlapping of elements with the VisualEditor toolbar have been fixed (bug #50096, #50159, #50324).
  • TemplateData information is now displayed for templates that are added to a page (bug #49778).
  • Section edit links now show links to both VisualEditor and the old (source) editor (bug #49666).
  • Images are now loaded securely when using HTTPS (bug #43015). [83]

Future software changes

• VisualEditor will be enabled for all logged-in English Wikipedia users on July 1, and for all users on July 8.
• From July 8, it will be possible to upload WAV and native FLAC files to Commons, and use them directly on wiki pages ([[<tvar|bug-49505>bugzilla:49505</>|bug #49505]]). [84]
• The Universal Language Selector will be added to the English Wikipedia on July 2, and to remaining wikis on July 9. [85]

Erratum

• Tech news #26 incorrectly reported that audio transcoding was added to TimedMediaHandler; it was actually statistics about audio transcoding that were added. [86]

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14:22, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Re Index:Picture Posters.djvu

Hi. I completed the proofreading of the few remaining pages, and asking for advice on several matters regarding this project since you did most of the work.

• I can proceed on creating the main namespace pages and before starting, I created a facsimile HERE for any additional pointers, in case I missed something. Please add anything that’s missing.
• Linked the illustrations to the Page namespace pages.
• In the table, I couldn’t float the references the right (I don’t think that float-right works in cells), and if the references are placed at the left, in the following cell (where they should be), then this offsets the whole row.
• Haven’t committed to linking the images themselves, which require the main namespace pages. Once the 11 main namespace pages exist, adding the page names and the anchors to the Illustrations table is automatic, but anchoring the 151 images is a manual process. The anchors are based on the .djvu number as in Picture Posters/Chapter 9#D335 . . . etc. You can see this method in the Index at the end of PSM Volume 13.

Your comments would be much appreciated. — Ineuw talk 04:56, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Apologies, however, I am incredibly time-challenged at the moment, and cannot look at this until the weekend. Feel free to do as you see fit if you don't wish to wait, my interest was more the work, than an ownership thing. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:27, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, No problem at all. This was more of an update since you’ve done so much work on the book. Also, because I very much liked your design for the PSM main namespace article headers. I will get around to doing something like it. — Ineuw talk 19:06, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh hi!

I knew I knew you from somewhere! :) -- Kendrick7 (talk) 00:15, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Sure, same person, different hats. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:27, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Tech news: 2013-28

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Translations are available.

Recent software changes (Not all changes will affect you.)

• VisualEditor news:
  • VisualEditor deployment has been delayed by a week. It is now planned to enable the editor for logged–in editors on chosen Wikipedias on July 22, and on all Wikipedias on July 29.
  • A bug that made it impossible to save VisualEditor edits that triggered a CAPTCHA has been fixed. [87]
  • Several bugs that occurred on right–to–left wikis have been fixed last week (bug #49416, bug #49613, bug #50543).
• Uploading files has been restricted on Meta Wiki to administrators and the newly created uploader group. An exemption doctrine policy is being developed (bug #50287). [88]
• Emergency priority CentralNotice banners will always be shown unless users have hidden them, ignoring cookies set for lower priority banners. [89]

Future software changes

• MediaWiki will allow choosing a specific page of a PDF document or a thumbnail of a video file to show up inside the <gallery /> tag (bug #8480). [90]
• It will now be possible to create empty MediaWiki: messages, for instance in order to disable them (bug #50124). [91]
• The Nearby feature will soon be enabled on Wikivoyage wikis again. [92]
• The Notifications extension messages will now include a direct link to diffs on wiki as well as in notification e-mails (bug #48183). [93]
• Table of contents will now use the HTML <div /> element instead of <table />, fixing a nine–year–old bug #658. [94]
• First mock–ups of a mobile Wikidata application have been published by Pragun Bhutani as part of his Google Summer of Code project. [95]
• A discussion on minimum documentation practices in MediaWiki code has been started and awaits comments from the community.

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18:33, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Translation edit notice

Have I missed something in the edit notices? I've created Template:Editnotices/Namespace/Translation and, glancing through the rest of the code, it looks as if the template should detect this automatically. However, I'm not seeing the edit notice when I start dummy pages in the Translation namespace (even allowing some time for servers to update). What should I be doing to make this work? - AdamBMorgan (talk) 16:56, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

DoneI think - Our implementation of EditNotice is a bastardized version so I wouldn't bother with wasting too much time trying to get up-to-speed on it but, fwiw, the short answer is the EditNotice functionality is based in the MediaWiki Message "system". All you needed was to add MediaWiki:Editnotice-114 that points to the helper template(s). -- George Orwell III (talk) 21:45, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Yep, I just copied the setup from Commons, as it allows the configuration to be done in the Template: ns, with a simple configuration in the respective MediaWiki:Editnotice-nnn. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:07, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Now find a way to get it behave as advertised and have it stop telling us to add a header when the page was originally created with one in place many years ago (just seeing that message drives me bonkers on almost a daily basis). -- George Orwell III (talk) 03:44, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

It is an edit notice, it behaves as it should, that we have it add a header is our choice. Apologies for it not being perfect, every effort is imperfect. <shrug> — billinghurst sDrewth 12:12, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Cheers for getting it to work. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 21:20, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

No worries (still wish it was the intelligent variant that could be set to detect if a, b, or c exists, then display notice x, y, z, or nothing at all [if appplicable] though). -- George Orwell III (talk) 00:44, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-29

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Translations are available.

Recent software changes (Not all changes will affect you.)

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf10) was added to test wikis on July 11. It will be enabled on non–Wikipedia sites on July 15, and on all Wikipedias on July 18. [96]
• The Disambiguator extension was enabled on all Wikimedia wikis on July 9 (bug #50174). To use it, add the __DISAMBIG__ code to disambiguation templates (see example). [97]
• The Universal Language Selector was added to all remaining wikis on July 9, finishing the process of replacing the Narayam and WebFonts extensions. [98]
• The CommonsDelinker bot is now on-line and operating again, after a password problem was fixed (bug #51016).
• VisualEditor news:
  • According to the schedule, VisualEditor will be available to all users on the English Wikipedia on July 15.
  • Users should add TemplateData to templates to prepare for VisualEditor. A tutorial is available.
  • Parameters marked as "required" in TemplateData are now auto-added when you add a template (bug #50747).
  • Warnings are now displayed in VisualEditor when users edit pages that are protected or have edit notices (bug #50415).
  • Many other bugs have been fixed in VisualEditor during the past two weeks.
• The Wikimedia technical report for June has been published, with a summary that can be translated.

Future software changes

• A new version of the Single User Login system for global accounts will be enabled on July 17. Users will now automatically go back to the previous page instead of seeing the "Login success" page with logos. [99]
• The software that resizes images on all wikis will change on July 18. Resizing of big images will be faster and more reliable, and the resolution limit for GIF, PNG and TIFF files (currently set at 50 megapixels) will be removed. [100]
• Edit tags (mostly used by AbuseFilter) will now also be on diff pages. They include a link to Special:Tags before the edit summary. Wikis that use links in tag messages should remove them. [101] [102]
• Global edit filters are currently in testing and will be added to wikis later. [103]
• Wikivoyage wikis will start to use Wikidata for interwiki links on July 22. [104]
• A new image gallery design has been proposed by Brian Wolff; comments and feedback are welcome.
• An IRC discussion about Bugzilla is planned for July 16, at 16:00 (UTC) on the IRC channel #wikimedia-office on Freenode (time conversion). [105]

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17:32, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-30

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Translations are available.

Recent software changes (Not all changes will affect you.)

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf11) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on July 18. It will be enabled on non–Wikipedia sites on July 22, and on all Wikipedias on July 25. [106]
• A new version of the Flow Prototype can be tested on Wikimedia Labs. [107]
• VisualEditor news:
  • The schedule to add VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias has been changed: the new editor will be available for logged-in users on the German (de), Spanish (es), French (fr), Hebrew (he), Italian (it), Dutch (nl), Polish (pl), Russian (ru) and Swedish (sv) Wikipedias on July 24, and for all users on those wikis on July 29. [108]
  • A warning is now displayed if an edit made with VisualEditor matches an edit filter (bug #50472).
  • SpamBlacklist messages are also supported (bug #50826).
  • Users can now edit <nowiki>...</nowiki> blocks (bug #47678).
  • When a user types text at the end of a link, the link now expands to that text. [109]
• Freely-licensed fonts for the Cree, Inuktitut and Urdu languages were added to Universal Language Selector, fixing bug #42421 and bug #46693.
• A Wikidata search plugin for the Firefox web browser was released by Jeroen De Dauw and can be downloaded from the Mozilla add-ons website.

Future software changes

• The change of the Wikimedia image scaling system from ImageMagick to VipsScaler (announced in the previous issue) has been postponed until bug #51370 is fixed. [110]
• Administrators will no longer see an unblock link for autoblocked IP addresses on the contributions page (bug #46457). [111]
• A request for comments on site-wide CSS was started on MediaWiki.org. [112]

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21:03, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Article Marcel Thiébaut et Jacques Thibaud / Thibaut dans Wikisource

Par acte survenu vers 17hoo le 27 juillet 2013, le deuxième document relatif à ces personnages a été effacé de la Wikisource. S'il ne s'agit pas d'un effet Snowdown, je vous prie d'ores et déjà à vous entendre avec Monsieur Christian Gallimard à Genève afin de ne pas entrainer un nouveau suicide - après ceux de Michel C. il y a vingt ans, de Dominique Venner (annoncé le 21 mai 2013 à Paris devant l'autel de Notre-Dame de Paris), puis maintenant de Carsten Schloter le 23 juillet 2013. Cela suffit. Eissalm & Gondi, le 27 juillet 2013 à 17h15. Sorry, I would like to whrite in English language here, but I am shure to create some mistake: each one in his own language: that is one of the sginification of the day of 'Pentecote', but, in this way, nobody has the wright to use of some 'monopole' against some other! thank you for understandig and respect. Same day at 17h35.--188.154.177.47 15:16, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Your works do not belong at English Wikisource. Maybe you should ask at fr:Wikisource:Scriptorium — billinghurst sDrewth 15:22, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

...for deciding not to globally lock my account. [Although I don't know why I wasn't notified that such a possibility was even being entertained.] (FYI, I've just signed your comment, I hope that didn't come across as rude.) Take care ~ DanielTom (talk) 15:20, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't even entertaining it, and I am unaware of any discussion that may be doing the rounds. Thanks for the addition, I can be forgetful about signing. <shrug> — billinghurst sDrewth 15:50, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-31

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes; not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf12) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on July 25. It will be enabled on non–Wikipedia sites on July 29, and on all Wikipedias on August 1. [113]
• Wikivoyage was offline for around 40 minutes on July 24. [114]
• Pywikipediabot moved their code from SVN to git; bot owners need to update their tools. [115]
• The Notifications and Thanks extensions were added to Meta-Wiki on July 26; other wikis will get them soon. [116]
• It is now possible to add edit summaries on Wikidata using the API; the feature will be added to user interface soon. [117]
• The software that resizes large PNG images on all wikis was changed on July 25. Resizing of PNG files bigger than 35 megapixels should be faster and more reliable now. [118]
• Three new webfonts (Gentium, Old Persian and Shapour) will be added to Universal Language Selector. [119], [120], [121]
• Special:MIMESearch, which gives a list of files by type, will be enabled on all Wikimedia wikis with MediaWiki version 1.22/wmf12 (bug #13438). [122]
• A mailing list to discuss multimedia features was started; users are encouraged to sign up.
• VisualEditor news:
  • On July 24, VisualEditor was added for logged-in users on the German (de), Spanish (es), French (fr), Hebrew (he), Italian (it), Polish (pl), Russian (ru) and Swedish (sv) Wikipedias; it will be added for all users on those wikis on July 29. [123]
  • A preference to completely disable VisualEditor while it is in beta phase was added on July 24. [124]
  • Many bugs were fixed in right-to-left languages. [125] [126] [127] [128] [129] [130]
  • It is possible again to scroll down in the template editing window (bug #51739).
  • VisualEditor now works with the FlaggedRevisions extension. (bug #49699)
  • If the user opens VisualEditor using a section edit link, the title of the section is added to the edit summary (bug #50872).
  • Invisible templates now can't be deleted by accident or on purpose (bug #51322).

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20:44, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Anchors in Index of Aust. Enquiry Book...

Hello. Would you mind giving your reasoning for scattering {{anchor}}'s throughout these pages? Did you intend only the Cookery chapter to be so treated, or would you like the other chapters done as well?

Self-clarification: I had been assuming up to now the work might eventually be divided into Cookery/Household/Fancy Work/etc. chapters, basing names on bold section titles used in Index/Contents. Is this still compatible with your plan/s? Cheers, MODCHK (talk) 22:23, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Big length of pages where people may wish to get to a place (use of one of the TOC templates in the notes section), so I was preparing it like the index pages for numbers of works (let me know if you want examples of prior efforts). I wasn't sure that we would do it, however anchors are otherwise harmless, so I poked them in and they become a (think|talk|plann)ing point [clearly]. So no firm plans, just thoughts. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:50, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Example probably worthwhile ... Tracks of McKinlay and party across Australia/Index, just one of a variety in play, see Category:TOC templates. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:53, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

(Example was a good idea.) O.K. Pretty much what I had thought. I shall continue the pattern of adding them to other sections (I am assuming having duplicates on different pages is not going to be a problem—but as you pointed out: {think,talk,plann}ing point.

Regards, MODCHK (talk) 00:17, 30 July 2013 (UTC) [who is still awaiting the promised spade...I don't need it, and I've already got one; but hope I shall never become too proud as to turn down a free gift.]

Don't worry, I am creeping up behind you with the spade. On second thoughts ... worry is good for the soul. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:50, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

You clearly did not get the message regarding the local landscape. This house is atop a natural hill-fort (a knoll off a hill off an escarpment.) If you're approaching from the south (logical) I expect you'll become so b**d just traipsing through the forest with that spade you'll be no threat at all by the time you get here. Now if you were wielding a box of matches instead I might become really afraid—except it has been raining a lot lately... MODCHK (talk) 02:21, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

re: Question raised at AN

Done, account unblocked, per request by Billinghurst (talk • contribs). For any further admin actions in this matter, I'll respectfully defer to the judgment of other admins. Have a great day! Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 15:46, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again for your attention to this matter. Just to restate clearly again: I'll be refraining from any further admin activity related to this issue, and will instead defer to other local admins. :) Hope you're doing well, -- Cirt (talk) 02:21, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Author_talk:George_Green_(1881-1956)#Service_records

Hi. I must point out this link [131] seems to be session-limited and/or the time has run out. Any chance there might be a permanent link alternative? I tried continuing (login as "Guest") but of course your search terms are then lost. Cheers, MODCHK (talk) 02:21, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

I have put the stepwise methodology, though try http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/DetailsReports/ItemDetail.aspx?Barcode=1925471 and see if that works, obviously having a session limits me from trying again. FWIW family history research on this person thinks that they died in UK, near London, maybe in 1955. Nothing authoritative. One tree references AWM photograph A04017 with him with a group of soldiers. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:22, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

FWIW there are a lot of George Greens dying each year in the UK. /-: — billinghurst sDrewth 12:35, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Probably because I did not see your message and act upon it quickly enough, the new link leads me to a screen which reads:

>Your session has expired, or you have exited RecordSearch and are trying to re-enter it without logging on first.

>To continue to search the collection select a login option below:

-with options of "Guest", "Login" or "Return Home" (to the National Archives website home page)

Is this in pretty much line with your expectations? In any case, thanks for responding.

To tell the truth, I only performed the initial search as a matter of curiosity as there are two streets in a nearby town "Green" and "Greene" both supposedly named for WW1 soldiers. So much for common surnames... MODCHK (talk) 12:53, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

D’oh! Stupid me. Just followed your new instructions at Author_talk:George_Green_(1881-1956)#Service_records regarding searching for barcode 1925471 (logged on as "Guest") and the record comes up fine. Apologies for wasting your time! MODCHK (talk) 13:00, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Author talk:Charles Boswell Norman

Generally the 1912 DNB authors are coming along fine. This one is of independent interest, I think, notable as a military historian. But short on dates. If he is the younger brother of Henry Norman, governor of Queensland, then quite a bit younger: the parents were James Norman and Charlotte Wylie of Dumfries, per the ODNB and our own Page:Dictionary of National Biography, Second Supplement, volume 3.djvu/31. CB Norman wrote for The Times, so I suppose there might be an obituary in the 1920s. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:08, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Done what I can from readily available sources … born Calcutta, West Bengal, 1845 or 6, so presumably the son of a military person or a civil servant living there at that time. I doubt related to Henry Norman as the absence of intervening census would indicate that family was still living in India. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:03, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. A propos, and thoughts for 2014 really, I have written some basic notes about how to implement a Wikibook Companion for the DNB, at User:Charles Matthews/Companion. As of today we are on the final DNB12 volume, and the missing author pages are largely dwindling away. So this old thought becomes relevant. Charles Matthews (talk) 10:42, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Another one: Author:W. S. Jackson. Canadian biographies, and I believe the identification. It could certainly benefit from more research and plausibility. Charles Matthews (talk) 13:49, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

William Shutt Jackson. Doubt that the date of death is going to be found, well not without some real indepth research. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:56, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, thanks

Thanks for giving me autopatrol rights just now. It's nice to feel welcomed back. —Remember the dot ^(talk) 20:28, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Greetings and... thanks

Greetings Billinghurst. Thanks for your welcome. Regards, --Technopat (talk) 23:28, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-34;

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

New features

• The previous version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf13) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on August 15. It was enabled on non-Wikipedia sites on August 19, and on all Wikipedias on August 22. [132]
• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf14) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on August 22. It will be enabled on non-Wikipedia sites on August 26, and on all Wikipedias on August 29. [133]
• You can now use new styles of galleries. Please give feedback to User:Bawolff. [134]
• You can now visit a random page in a category, for example Special:RandomInCategory/Science. (25931) [135]
• You can now use the <wbr> HTML5 tag to say where a word can be cut. (52468) [136]
• Gadget authors: you can now use the wikipage.content hook, so that your scripts are re-run when a page is changed after the document-ready event (for example using Ajax). (30713) [137]

Problems fixed

• There was a bug where file redirects didn't work when a file was renamed; it is now fixed. There is still an issue with purging, but it should be fixed soon. (52200)
• Maintenance reports provided by special pages will now all be updated on each wiki every six months. This will for example give you recent information on uncategorized pages, unused templates and most wanted pages (see details).
• There was a bug that caused false positives for anti-blanking edit filters; it is now fixed. (52077) [138]

VisualEditor news

• The "edit" and "edit source" tabs and section edit links can now be changed more easily; for example, some wikis are using "edit source" for wikitext editing, and "edit ^beta" for VisualEditor. You can ask for the same change in bugzilla.
• You can now edit references that are added inside a <references> block. (51741)
• You can now test on mediawiki.org new basic tools to add and edit struck text (with the button for the <s> tag), lower text ( for <sub>), upper text ( for <sup>), underlined text ( for <u>), computer code ( for <code> and <samp>), math text ( for <math>), Egyptian hieroglyphs ( for <hiero>), and to say that text is in another language ( for lang="ar" dir="rtl"). (51609, 51612, 51611, 51590, 51610, 52352)
• You can now use VisualEditor with the Opera browser. [139]

Future

• Starting on August 26, you will be able to use data from Wikidata on Wikivoyage sites. [140]
• Starting on August 27, you will also get notifications on the mobile site if you're logged in to a wiki using notifications. [141]
• Starting on August 28, all users with an account will be using HTTPS to access Wikimedia sites. HTTPS brings better security and improves your privacy. Some countries (like China) will not use HTTPS. If HTTPS causes problems for you, tell us on meta. [142]
• Starting on August 29, you will get the code editor interface to edit JavaScript and CSS pages on all wikis. [143]
• The plan to use Solr for search in MediaWiki was changed; instead, Elasticsearch is now planned. [144]

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19:56, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Commons help needed

Hi again,

...hope this finds you & your's well.

When you get the time, can you please look into the deletion of File:Newdressmakerwit00butt.djvu over on commons to see what the real story is with this deletion? I'd like to be sure its not just a matter of a missing license template or something before I delete all those orphaned Page:s already created under that file's Index: page. TIA. -- George Orwell III (talk) 00:08, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Restored. Hesperian 02:02, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks -- George Orwell III (talk) 02:05, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Voila! — billinghurst sDrewth 06:08, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Probable sock of banned user on enwiki messaging me here

I'm not sure what if anything should be done about it but after I blocked a User:Pumpie sock, I had another one pop up here to message me presumably because autoblock stopped them from registering on enwiki. NativeForeigner (talk) 21:12, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Transfer of discussion from my "Talk" page (re: "without text" status)

BH, I've moved your post to this page because of the broader implication for the SHSP project—Hywel Dda (talk) 14:20, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Portal:Poor

Hi. Do you mind if I merge Portal:Poor into Portal:Poverty? Unless I am missing some nuance (which is quite possible) they seem to be the same subject. If they are different, can you tell me how (just so I can find a classification, although they are probably both the same subclass even if slightly different subjects)? - AdamBMorgan (talk) 11:43, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Absolutely okay. My brain is cycling at about 10%, so call it lacking ability to think. :-) — billinghurst sDrewth 11:50, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Using criticism as a starting point...

You have new messages

Hello, Billinghurst. You have new messages at Very trivial's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Tech News: 2013-40

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New features

• Special:Listfiles can now display old versions of files a user has uploaded. A new link was also added (Special:AllMyFiles) that gives a list of all files the current user has ever uploaded (that haven't been deleted).
• There is now an Android application to contribute to translatewiki.net from mobile devices. [145]

VisualEditor news

• VisualEditor now has a new toolbar with drop-down menus for advanced tools. [146]
• Many bugs were fixed, some related to copy-and-paste. [147]
• You can now move references, list of references, templates and other elements with the mouse ("drag-and-drop"). [148]
• You are invited to comment on designs for the interface to add references in VisualEditor.

Future

• Developers are looking for ideas of small technical projects that new developers could work on. Please add your ideas. [149]
• Developers are looking for wikis who would accept to try using secure links (HTTPS) for all users. [150]
• You can join an IRC discussion about "Beta features", a tool to try new features, on October 3. [151]
• You can join an IRC discussion about Flow, the new wiki discussion tool, on October 17.

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20:01, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Index:Canadian poems of the great war.djvu

Owing to some concern about the status of anthologised works in this, I reverted a load of my edits here, it would be appreciated if you could consider deleting my efforts on this work so that someone else can make a better effort. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:21, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Please take this matter to Wikisource:Administrators' noticeboard or follow the processes for deletion. — billinghurst sDrewth 21:24, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Implementing Easier and More Efficient Metadata Tags on Wikisource

Hello, I just wanted to give you a brief update on the initiative to adopt the Schema metatags on Wikisource, I have talked to tpt and he is in support of it, and successfully made this microdata template to test the functionality of the use of microdata. Here is an example that I made that is a little closer to what this would look like in Wikisource.

If I brought this idea to an RFC, would you support its consensus? Is there any other information you would like to see in order to support it?

Maximilian.Klein.LRMI (talk) 19:36, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikisource User Group

Wikisource, the free digital library is moving towards better implementation of book management, proofreading and uploading. All language communities are very important in Wikisource. We would like to propose a Wikisource User Group, which would be a loose, volunteer organization to facilitate outreach and foster technical development, join if you feel like helping out. This would also give a better way to share and improve the tools used in the local Wikisources. You are invited to join the mailing list 'wikisource-l' (English), the IRC channel #wikisource, the facebook page or the Wikisource twitter. As a part of the Google Summer of Code 2013, there are four projects related to Wikisource. To get the best results out of these projects, we would like your comments about them. The projects are listed at Wikisource across projects. You can find the midpoint report for developmental work done during the IEG on Wikisource here.

Global message delivery, 23:20, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

mw. custom edit toolbar

Hi. Do you have any insight regarding the "legacy" custom editing toolbar issues? In the previous mw software release, I tried using the way your toolbar buttons were defined but that didn't work for me. For example:

//Toolbar buttons copied from Billinghurst and modified, Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:19: PM

var addExtraButtons = function(){

  mw.toolbar.addButtons(
                       {
     "imageId": "",
     "imageFile": "http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Ansi_0198.svg",
     "speedTip": "Æ",
     "tagOpen": 'Æ',
     "tagClose": '',
     "sampleText": ""
  },
}

However without the wrapper, label names and .addButton instead of .addButtons works:

mw.toolbar.addButton(
      "http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Ansi_0198.svg",
      " Æ ",
      'Æ',
      '',
      ""
);

With the current 1.22wmf14 version, the buttons only appear when I click several times on the edit button in edit mode - which I suspect acts as a reload window button. Do you have any knowledge of a resolution? Thanks. — Ineuw talk 03:34, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

I had to piece together the syntax from some pretty wretched examples, hence why I didn't come out with the klaxon that I knew the answer. I am reasonably certain that with .addbutton_S_ that you need a comma between sections, and even then it is a delicate operation. I still have one thing to work out to get it fully functioning, and then I will take yours, customise it in my dummy account, and put it back. Need time, energy and alertness, all of which are in short supply. Please do nag me in a week if I haven't done it for you. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:51, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Let me know when you've done this and I'll steal—umm—plagiarise—umm—adapt it for my purposes. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:10, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

I really appreciate your reply and kind offer. Don't want you to spend any time on my toolbar issues, but will return to inquire in the future if you've gotten yours working. I just want to see and analyze the working code. It's about time that I dwell into such issues and learn to connect the "dots" of how things work. The "dots" being fragments of my understanding. I am aware that the various solutions of code examples are complicated and they possibly conflict. In the meantime I make do with what I have. Thanks again. — Ineuw talk 20:17, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

mw.toolbar issues

Hi. I created three Bug reports, all somewhat related to each other and the toolbar. I thought that you may be interested in knowing about it, and if you have a comment which you may wish to add. They are bug numbers: 54308, 54309 and 54310— Ineuw talk 20:25, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Workhouses and women's work

Billinghurst, did you intend to leave all of the running headers the same in Workhouses and women's work? The running headers remain the same on your pages but are not the same in the book. I guess the missing italics don't matter. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 18:23, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Huh? They look to match to me, standard centre block, left and right number respectively. Re italics, nope, not bothering. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:52, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

The text in the running headers change. Look at the Index page where all have been validated by me and then see the yellow squares where I stopped. I stopped because the running headers change due to a different chapter starting. All of the validated pages show Workhouses and Women's Work p.41 (djvu/45) with right and left numbers respectively UNTIL it starts with page 42 On the Conditions of Workhouses (djvu/46) which is a different chapter using a different Running Header as shown in bold here. I can easily change the rest that remain unvalidated but I needed to know if you did the 2nd chapter's RH the way it is now on purpose which is wrong. You continued Chapter I. with the same RH onward through Chapter II. Look at the Index colors and compare the RH green vs yellow. I didn't know why you did that so asked. The Running Headers do not stay the same in both chapters. Chapter I & Chapter II. Differ in running headers although the RH remains the same WITHIN each chapter but each chapter is not the same which means the RH's change. I'll change those RH's in the last pages now that I know you goofed. Kind regards, —Maury (talk) 16:38, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Immediate above Done. —Maury (talk) 17:19, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-42

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

New features

• You can now choose which language to show for SVG files that contain several languages, using the "lang" option, like [[File:Gerrit_patchset_25838_test.svg|lang=de]] for the German layer of File:Gerrit patchset 25838 test.svg.
• Developers are looking for wiki communities to try the new search system. [152]

VisualEditor news

• You can now create and edit references inside media captions. [153]
• You now need to press the "delete" key twice to delete a template, reference or image; the first time, they only become selected, to avoid accidental deletion of infoboxes and similar content. [154]
• When you resize images, you will now still see them, and their size will also be seen in the center. [155] [156]

Future

• The new notifications system ("Echo") will be added to almost all wikis that don't already have it on October 22. It will notify you of changes and events that affect you. [157]
• MediaWiki 1.22wmf22 was added to test wikis on October 17. It will arrive to non-Wikipedia wikis on October 21 and all Wikipedia wikis on October 24 (calendar).
• The interface to reset your password will soon be changed. [158]

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09:17, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Page requiring validation

I added the image to this page, but it needs revalidation if you or someone else can do so. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 03:45, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

DoneBeeswaxcandle (talk) 03:51, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

The Indian Biographical Dictionary,1915

Just to say that I've proofread the last page, and validated all the pages that I didn't proofread. Whatever needs to happen next is beyond my ken. --GreyHead (talk) 10:57, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-43

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

New features

• The "Toolbox" section in the site sidebar is now called "Tools" in English. You can do the same in your language by editing the interface text on translatewiki.net. Someone else may have already done it. [159]

VisualEditor news

• On wikis with VisualEditor, you can now use it on pages in the File, Help and Category spaces. [160]

Problems

• On October 22 (UTC), an error in the site settings caused *.wikimedia.org sites (like Meta-Wiki and Commons) to redirect to wikimediafoundation.org for a few hours. [161]

Future

• MediaWiki 1.23wmf1 was added to test wikis on October 24. It will arrive to non-Wikipedia wikis on October 28 and all Wikipedia wikis on October 31 (calendar).
• In the next days, servers in San Francisco will start providing (cached) content to users located in Oceania. If you are in that area and notice problems, please tell us. [162]
• You will soon be able to test new features easily using the "Beta Features" view. VisualEditor will be in the list on sites where it works and isn't automatically enabled. Another example is a set of changes in the article text style.

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09:46, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

{{c|word}} vs {{center|word}}

Billinghurst, in the SHSP volume 3 moments ago you changed the letter c to the word center. Why? They do the same thing or do they? Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 02:54, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

I just looked at Template:Center and it shows (c) so {center} is not a necessity although I once used <center for years but that was HTML days. —Maury (talk) 03:15, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

It is just part of my cleanup scripts, so no need to fuss it. There are a number of regular templates that we shortcut, that get expanded as some of the names are not intuitive to their function and not helpful for new users. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:14, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

I was curious as to whether a rule was changed so I could change with it before going further.

I was most concerned about a former attorney who works those pages you changed could get very annoyed and quit working on the SHSP volumes if not quit WikiSource itself. He stated, "aesthetic sensibilities:.." on his talk page. He is very particular how something is set up properly, in his view, whether you can see it out of edit mode or not. Please leave him and his work alone or the volumes may sit there another 3 years without a good worker. I would like to see the SHSP volumes finished some day and the sooner the better. I have even seen him change every Dhr he encountered to dhr It is best to leave the fellow in peace and let him work as much as possible on those volumes. The situation is the kind that he probably will "fuss it" whereas I don't worry about which version is used but there are some people who have a pattern and don't want it messed with. —Maury (talk) 16:10, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-44

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

New features

• The style and colors for warning boxes, error messages, and success messages in all skins of MediaWiki has been changed. [163]

VisualEditor news

• You will soon be able to switch from editing in VisualEditor to editing wikitext directly without having to save the page. You can't yet switch from wikitext to VisualEditor but developers hope to make it possible in the future. [164]

Problems

• There was a problem on October 31 during the activation of MediaWiki 1.22wmf2 on test wikis. mediawiki.org was also broken, and if you had problems logging in, it was probably because of this as well.

Future

• Because of the problem with MediaWiki 1.22wmf2, the calendar has changed. It will be added to mediawiki.org and non-Wikipedia sites on November 4, and all Wikipedia sites on November 7.

JavaScript / Gadget developers

• Due to a recent change, gadgets and user scripts that use jQuery UI should explicitly load the appropriate modules, as they may not be loaded by default. [165]
• Developers have started to remove long-deprecated methods. You should check the JavaScript console (in debug=true mode) and look for deprecation warnings and their stack trace. [166]

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10:36, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-45

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

New features

• You can now use the "Autonym" font of the Universal Language Selector (ULS) to display the name of languages (for example in navigation templates) in their correct script. To do this, add the CSS class "autonym" to the elements that include language names. Note that this font only works for the name of languages, not for any other text. [167]

Problems

• There was a problem with Parsoid (the program used by VisualEditor to convert wikitext to annotated HTML) on November 4, between 19:40 and 20:40 (UTC). Encoding issues caused non-ASCII characters (including those with diacritics, like "é") to be broken when converted to wikitext and saved to the page. [168]

Future

• The Beta Features tool is now available on Commons and Meta-Wiki. With it, you can test new features before they're added for everyone. The plan is to add this tool to all wikis on November 21. [169]
• MediaWiki 1.23wmf3 was added to test wikis on November 7. It will arrive to non-Wikipedia wikis on November 12 and all Wikipedia wikis on November 14 (calendar). [170]
• The MassMessage tool will be added to all wikis on November 14. It will make it simpler to send messages across wikis. [171]
• The button of the Search page will soon be changed to be blue and bigger (see the difference). [172]
• You will soon be able to add a page name as parameter for {{REVISIONID}}, {{REVISIONUSER}} and {{REVISIONTIMESTAMP}} and similar functions, by writing for example {{REVISIONID:Apple}}. [173]
• In the future, when you hide a CentralNotice banner on a wiki, it will also be hidden on other Wikimedia sites. [174]

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13:09, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome!

Thanks for the welcome! Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 09:29, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-46

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• There was a problem caused by too many requests to the database on November 14. [175]

Future

• MediaWiki 1.23wmf4 was added to test wikis on November 14. It will arrive to non-Wikipedia wikis on November 19 and all Wikipedia wikis on November 21 (calendar).
• The new Search tool (CirrusSearch) will be added to *.wikimedia.org, Wikimania and Wikisource wikis on November 19, and Wiktionary wikis on November 21 (except where it's already available). Once it is added, you can test it by adding &srbackend=CirrusSearch to the address of the search results page. It will become the main search engine on Wikivoyage wikis on November 21. [176]
• The MassMessage tool will be added to all wikis on November 19 instead of November 14. It will make it simpler to send messages across wikis. [177]

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08:52, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Idea for Wikisource - Partnership with Google Cultural Institute to create virtual museums for documents on Wikisource

I've just received an idea for Wikisource from an Admin I know at wikia:Biblicalapedia by the name of User:Superdadsuper. He says 'Wikisource, perhaps can partner with Google (this might need input from the Wikimedia board) with the Google Cultural Institute to create virtual museums pertaining to documents on Wikisource. This can allow multiple museums to be created or even better Wikimedia with the help of donations or sponsors can start actual museums on various topics using information from Wikipedia, Wikisource, Commons and all the Wikimedia projects'. He would like to be involved as much as possible and can be contacted on his Message Wall at Biblicalapedia or Superdadsuper@gmail.com --kathleen wright5 (talk) 01:33, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi. This is just a reply, to verify that I said this. Your best way to contact me would be by email, my Wikia message wall could work to, though you would be unlikely to catch me through my talk page here. I would like to be involved in any Administrative meetings, communal meetings here at Wikisource, and Meta meetings with Wikimedia Board of Trustees. The other thing I posted to a reply on the idea on the Bible Wiki (Biblicalapedia) is that perhaps Wikimedia could start physical museums using content from all of the Wikimedia projects combined . Perhaps each Wikimedia Charter organization can try to have museums all over the place, of course it would have to be decided what specifically the museum could be about. I said earlier I hope to be able to participate in Admin meetings; I hope you pass it on to the Admins, and perhaps you could meet about it, then spread the idea to Meta, so it can be spread all over the place.—unsigned comment by Superdadsuper (talk) .

Tech News: 2013-47

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

New features

• The Beta Features announced before are now available on all Wikimedia wikis. You can test new features easily by changing your Beta preferences. VisualEditor is one of those features on sites where it works and isn't automatically enabled. There is also a new media viewer and changes in the article text style. [178]
• Tools developers can now create tools that use the OAuth protocol to connect to accounts on Wikimedia sites. As a user, you can use those tools to make edits and other changes with your account without giving the tool your password. [179]

Problems

• Wikis that are currently testing CirrusSearch had problems with search results on November 18 from 16:00 to 20:00 UTC.

Future

• There will be no major code changes on the week of November 25 because many developers will be on holiday for Thanksgiving.
• The editing interface of Page: pages on Wikisource (working with the Proofread Page extension) will soon also work without JavaScript. [180]

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06:50, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-49

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

This newsletter is now posted using MediaWiki message delivery.

New features

• The CommonsMetadata feature was added to all wikis. It creates metadata information about multimedia files (like their license) that can be read automatically by computer programs. It not only works for Commons, but for all wikis, and you can use it for files on your wiki by editing templates used to describe metadata. [181]
• JavaScript code used on Wikimedia sites is now saved locally on your computer to load faster. [182]

VisualEditor

• You can now paste formatted content copied from external sources (not just as plain text) into VisualEditor; this includes copy/pasting from other VisualEditor windows. [183]
• You can now open VisualEditor by adding ?veaction=edit to the page URL, regardless of your user preferences. [184]
• Many bugs have been fixed, and VisualEditor should also look faster, for example when you save a page. [185]

Problems

• Due to issues, the new search tool ("CirrusSearch") was recently removed from wikis where it was enabled, then added again. [186]

Future

• MediaWiki 1.23wmf6 was added to test wikis on December 5. It will arrive to non-Wikipedia wikis on December 10 and all Wikipedia wikis on December 12 (calendar).
• The old Etherpad tool (replaced by a new version) will be removed on December 30, 2013. You can still save old pads before that date using the old address: https://etherpad-old.wikimedia.org. [187]

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08:38, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-50

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

New features

• You can now see a legend on Special:RecentChanges and Special:Watchlist that explains the symbols used. [188]
• If your wiki is testing the new search tool ("CirrusSearch"), you can now test it by adding "New search" in your Beta features preferences. [189]

VisualEditor

• The toolbar is now simpler; all text styles (bold, italics, underline, subscript, etc.) are in the same menu, and the "More" menu is called "Insert". [190]
• You can now use a basic tool to add special characters to your text. You can add more characters (useful in your language) by editing the MediaWiki interface on translatewiki.net.
• The tool to add and edit mathematical text is now called "formula". [191]

Problems

• There was a problem with the "Compile a book" tool (Collection); books could only be exported to PDF format. The change has been undone. [192]
• The log-in system for external tools ("OAuth") was broken on wikis that tested the new search tool. It was fixed last week. [193] [194]
• Because of a bug, this newsletter is delivered to users using the new MediaWiki message delivery, and to community pages using the old EdwardsBot. [195]

Future

• MediaWiki 1.23wmf7 was added to test wikis on December 12. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on December 17 and all Wikipedia wikis on December 19 (calendar).
• You will soon be able to select the language of SVG images that have translations using a drop-down menu on the image page. (see example) [196]
• GLAMToolset, a tool to help GLAM groups (like museums) upload many pictures to Commons, will be added to Commons on December 17. [197]
• A Draft namespace will be added to the English Wikipedia to make it easier to create new pages. You will be able to use VisualEditor for drafts if you have enabled it. [198] [199]

Other

• You can read the summary of the technical report for November 2013 to learn more about VisualEditor, Mobile and other features. [200]

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08:24, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

The leather-workers of Daryaganj

Hello,

Why did you move back this? English spelling require a capital L, isn’t? Regards, Yann (talk) 14:13, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

The styles change. I have been using / imitating the titles at archive.org for a period of time. It isn't a proper noun, so does not require an upper case letter. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:04, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-51

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.23wmf8) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on December 19. It will be enabled on non-Wikipedia wikis on December 31 and on all Wikipedia wikis on January 2, 2014 (calendar).
• You can now test the new search tool ("CirrusSearch") on all Wikisource, Wiktionary and Wikimedia chapter wikis hosted on Foundation servers. Enable "New search" in your Beta features preferences. [201]
• There was a bug where notifications were not sent when the signature of the user leaving the message linked to a translated namespace. The problem was fixed in the software and will soon be fixed on Wikimedia sites. [202] [203]
• You can now use the log-in system for external tools (OAuth) on all Wikimedia wikis that use the unified login. [204]
• If your wiki adds stars or other icons to interwiki links for featured articles in other languages, you may need to change the JavaScript code. [205]
• You can thank other users for their edits even if your browser does not have JavaScript. [206] [207]
• All edits made through Flow, the new discussion system for MediaWiki, are now visible in user's contributions. You can test it on the Flow talk page on MediaWiki.org. [208] [209]
• You can test a visual tool that shows edits made to an article over time. It only works for English Wikipedia pages for now and is slow on long articles. [210]
• You can test the first version of the new mobile Wikipedia app for Android and iOS. [211]
• Translatewiki.net, the site where you can translate the MediaWiki software, now has a new main page for users without an account. [212]

Future software changes

• There will be no technical changes this week (December 23 to December 29) due to end-of-year holidays.
• When someone deletes, restores, uploads, or moves a file on Commons, pages on all wikis that use that file will be refreshed. [213] [214]
• New users will soon have their user and talk pages added to their watchlist as soon as they create an account. [215] [216].
• The new search tool (CirrusSearch) will not show the text of versions of a page that have been hidden. [217] [218]
• You will soon be able to see the raw HTML created by some wikitext by using the Special:ExpandTemplates tool. [219] [220]

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08:22, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Adventures List

Any chance of finding scans (on or off Wikisource) for the items that are currently in the rejected heap?ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:48, 24 December 2013 (UTC)