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Again, welcome! Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:54, 27 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Rawdump OCR.

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Latest comment: 2 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Please don't do this. It makes it harder for other contributors to track actual progress and to repair files when missing pages are encountered. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:28, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hopefully I've been doing a little more than just dumping the OCR - each page is now linked to cleaned and extracted illustrations, which can be a big barrier for people proofreading these illustrated periodicals (there are 124 of them in issue 3, and 114 in issue 2). If no one else proofreads these, my plan is to do them myself over the next month, anyway - I'm currently working through issue 2. Qq1122qq (talk) 14:43, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
As a follow up - all of Issue 3 has now been proofread (with images), and issues 4 and 5 are now being worked on. Qq1122qq (talk) 23:38, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Already Transcluded Parts of The Strand

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Latest comment: 2 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Thank you so much for working on The Strand. It's really wonderful to see this periodical proofread. I've noticed that for some of the sections of Volume 2 that have already been transcluded, you're transcluding them again to put those stories in the appropriate issue. The correct procedure would be to move the transcluded sections. So, The Strand Magazine/Volume 2/A Scandal in Bohemia would need to be moved to The Strand Magazine/Volume 2/Issue 7/A Scandal in Bohemia. Otherwise, an administrator has to delete the double transclusions. Languageseeker (talk) 11:54, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the pointer - I've been avoiding moving pages that have already been done as I didn't want to tread on any toes, but if moving is the 'done thing' then I'll try to do that in the future. In particular, I didn't want to mess up the work that has already been done on organising The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes - or get involved in the discussion I noted about deleting it!
I've been a big fan of The Strand Magazine for a worryingly long time - one of the first 'vintage' books I ever bought was Volume 10 of The Strand Magazine almost 20 years ago, and it's great to have found a place where it can be properly proofread and preserved. Qq1122qq (talk) 18:25, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Authors under full real names

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Latest comment: 1 year ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Hi. We create authors under their full real names. Pen names, and shortened versions of author's names would typically be redirects to the full author's page. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:06, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

I have been noting with awe and pleasure the work you and others put into finding birth and death dates for some of the author pages I have created. I'm slowly creating these as I find them referenced in The Strand Magazine, but this is definitely not an area of expertise. I will definitely do my best to create them with full names in the future. One issue is that for some authors they may only have one or two credits, and not with their full names. Is there a recommended procedure in this case? Qq1122qq (talk) 18:31, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
Oh late response. If you are looking for attention then it is useful to use the template {{ping}} => {{ping|billinghurst}}.
In further utterance of my PoV. I will often create the pages at the shortened version or redirect, and move them to the full name, as it can just be easier. We are not asking for your perfection, and do not hesitate to put notes on the author talk page, or even drop it inside the page and wrap it inside an html comments field <!-- comment --> which can be seen when someone drops into edit mode. It is a wiki so ... do what you can as it is all helpful and the next person past will hopefully take it further. Never be afraid to add pings in places, or drop me a note and if I have a chance I will get to it. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:17, 19 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Strand articles

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Latest comment: 1 year ago1 comment1 person in discussion

As I see you are working on The Strand, I've created a Category:Articles in The Strand Magazine to match other categories for articles from periodicals.

Note also that {{Strand Magazine link}} does accept a year= parameter. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:06, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

Naming hierarchy for Punch

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Latest comment: 1 year ago5 comments2 people in discussion

I would like to understand the naming hierarchy used in Punch as it doesn't align within itself, nor with how we have set up other periodicals. Hence it being non-standard, it makes it difficult to use the existing templates we use to link to articles from author pages, and from work to work.

You have some aspects as dates, and other aspects as articles in vol. 147. then other volumes differently.

I would like to look to reorganise these to something that is more robust and that aligns with one of the existing patterns. To better understand it often helps to see how the available scans have been done just to make some of that part of the plan. We can then look to set up {{Punch link}} that will also make things somewhat easier and uniform. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:57, 19 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

As an example of elsewhere Special:PrefixIndex/The Strand Magazine/ — billinghurst sDrewth 22:58, 19 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the interest in my work on Punch (and for letting me know about @Billinghurst: - I am not a fan of Wiki-style 'message boards' so don't know all the reply tricks). As you can probably tell, I'm focusing on Volume 147 (July-Dec 1914) and have done my best to leave all the pre-existing Punch content alone - there isn't much of it, as you can see from your list above, so it can easily be moved around (or removed) as required. My interest is in WW1 era Punch so I doubt I'll ever go earlier than 1914 in the work I do on the periodical.
I believe the standard is to have <journal title>/Volume <num>/Issue <num>/<article name> (as I have tried to follow with the Strand Magazine issues I've worked on). Through my work on the Punch volume I have deviated from this in two ways - I had what felt like good reasons but they can both be squished back into the standard if you think it would be useful.
1) Issue Titles
The main problem with following the format /Issue <num>/ with Punch is that I have no simple way to find the issue number. Punch was generally released every Saturday, and each issue *did* have a number (for example September 10th 1859 was issue 948, and [[1]] June 10th 1931 was issue 4692), but I haven't found a good mapping from dates to issue numbers - when I took the naive approach of putting some known issue numbers in a spreadsheet and extrapolating I found gaps which must correspond to extra issues, but I don't know when they were. So I just used the date as the issue identifier, July 1, September 9, etc. This has the advantage of being a unique identifier for each issue within a volume, but does make programmatically moving to the next/previous issue difficult.
Alternative: We could just impose a 'fake' issue number for each volume, so it starts at /Issue 1/ and continues to /Issue 26/ (or 27). That looks like what was done with the single article from Volume 79 that has been put on the system. At the time I found that distasteful as those aren't the actual issue numbers, but it doesn't seem *that* bad looking at it now. Let me know if that's your preferred system.
2) Articles
I think it's quite important that you should be able to open an issue of Punch in your browser and see the whole issue. This is the case at the moment, for example, if you go to Punch/Volume 147/August 5 you see the whole issue on one page (along with a generic title page). That said, there's also a good argument for being able to isolate out individual contributions (for example, if there is a specific poem you'd like to link to, or if you'd like to isolate the contributions of a particular author for use in the Author:... pages). Enabling this content splitting involves quite a lot more formatting work on my part - in particular it involves lots of section labelling. I have currently only done this for the July 8th issue, and almost all of the content you can see above in the /Articles/ section comes from that single issue.
The motivation for having an /Articles/ section comes from the way that Punch categories its content. This is divided by Punch into four categories, as you can see from the Index:
  • Articles - titled content which appears in the index under the 'Articles' category.
  • Cartoons - titled full page illustrations. Generally two per issue. Appear in the index under the 'Cartoons' category.
  • Pictures and Sketches - illustrations which are not titled in the index (as they might not have a title, just a 'humorous' caption)
  • Miscellanea - small content fillers such as quotes from other newspapers. This is not indexed by Punch.
Potentially we could have a Cartoon with the same title as an Article (although admittedly that doesn't happen in this Volume), so I decided as a first attempt to put all the Articles in an /Articles/ section, so I could then also have a /Cartoons/ section - thinking about it now, though, there's no real reason to have a separate page for each Cartoon - we could easily have a single /Cartoons page with all 52 Cartoons in it, and a /Pictures and Sketches page similarly.
Alternatives:
  • Placing all content directly under the volume, as /Volume 147/<article name>. I don't generally like this approach - it feels like a category error to place whole issues and individual articles in the same place in the heirarchy.
  • Placing all content under the individual issue, as /Volume 147/Issue <issue>/<article name>. This is a good approach, but does have the downside of making linking to articles from the index much more of a manual effort than it would be if everything is placed in a non-hierarchical structure. Some automation should still be possible but it will involve me creating a table matching page ranges to issue numbers when I create the links (that'd be an after-my-summer-holiday project). I imagine this would be your preferred approach?
Qq1122qq (talk) 08:06, 20 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Billinghurst
Potential good news on the issue number front - I've been trawling through ebay sales and Google images and have managed to find enough 1913/1917 issues to reconstruct the issue numbers - it looks like 1st July 1914 is issue 3808, and it continues in sequence until at least 1st August 1917 which is issue 3969. That'll be enough to keep me going for a while!
This removes the issue I had with 'fake' issue numbers - I still like the date-based format but perhaps as redirect pages. Qq1122qq (talk) 08:34, 21 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
Everything from '/Articles/' has now been moved into the appropriate issue 'folder', and I'm going to start working through the other issues - I have everything from August - October proofread so there's quite a lot of article admin to do! Qq1122qq (talk) 12:02, 22 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
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