Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2023-03

Help:Public domain

Hi, It seems that the 2nd line in this table is not accurate. Works published before 1928 are in the public domain in USA even if they do not meet the criteria mentioned there: in compliance with US formalities, published in English language, or the author is known to have died in 1952 or earlier (more than 70 years ago), e.g. see c:Commons:Hirtle chart. Yann (talk) 18:54, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

• Yann: This table incorporated the Ninth Circuit’s notoriously flawed holding in Twin Books v. Disney. (Also, that counter shouldn’t start at 1909, but go back until the beginning of time, as the opinion was not limited to the 1909 Act.) That case doesn’t apply to Virginia (where WMF servers are hosted), however, so I don’t think it’s necessary to include in a WMF chart. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 20:29, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

• OK, thanks. I changed that. Yann (talk) 20:39, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: Yann (talk) 16:30, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Ruby G. Smith

Hi, Any idea who is Ruby G. Smith, mentioned in Index:Mead - The Overthrow of the War System.pdf? Thanks, Yann (talk) 20:50, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Possibly [1], but I can find no firm evidence, so far. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:43, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Good catch: [2]. Yann (talk) 22:09, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: Yann (talk) 16:29, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Single adverts...

File:March_1923_Victor_Records_list-complete.jpg in scope or not? Thought I would ask first. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:37, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Not in itself. But, in the context of the full page from the Boston Globe, it is—once that issue of the paper is scanned and uploaded. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 19:53, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I won't waste time on it then. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:55, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Broken template transclusion

On Author:William Buckland, the instance of {{PT link}} is broken. I can't figure out why. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:52, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

I experimented by editing it and previewing my changes repeatedly - it seems like the link parameter is too long. When the generated link gets longer than 256 characters, it breaks. Since it starts with "Philosophical Transactions/Volume 112/", the "link" parameter here can be no longer than 218 characters. — Dcsohl (talk)
(contribs) 22:42, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

That's a (hard) limit on the length of page names in MediaWiki, and that's one reason why we don't tend to slavishly reproduce the entire title of original works in the page name. In this case I would have shortened that to Philosophical Transactions/Volume 112/Account of an Assemblage of Fossil Teeth and Bones (including disambiguating the page names if needed). Inside page content we'd use the full text as it appears, of course, but the page name is more of a technical identifier or address. Xover (talk) 08:29, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Tech News: 2023-10

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• The Community Wishlist Survey 2023 edition has been concluded. Community Tech has published the results of the survey and will provide an update on what is next in April 2023.
• On wikis which use LanguageConverter to handle multiple writing systems, articles which used custom conversion rules in the wikitext (primarily on Chinese Wikipedia) would have these rules applied inconsistently in the table of contents, especially in the Vector 2022 skin. This has now been fixed. [3]

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• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 March. It will be on all wikis from 9 March (calendar).
• A search system has been added to the Preferences screen. This will let you find different options more easily. Making it work on mobile devices will happen soon. [4]

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Tech News: 2023-11

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• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 March. It will be on all wikis from 16 March (calendar).
• Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "Add a link" (Chavacano de Zamboanga Wikipedia, Min Dong Chinese Wikipedia, Chechen Wikipedia, Cebuano Wikipedia, Chamorro Wikipedia, Cherokee Wikipedia, Cheyenne Wikipedia, Central Kurdish Wikipedia, Corsican Wikipedia, Kashubian Wikipedia, Church Slavic Wikipedia, Chuvash Wikipedia, Welsh Wikipedia, Italian Wikipedia). This is part of the progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias. The communities can configure how this feature works locally. [5][6]

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Creeping trend to have articles set as root pages within the header fields

It seems that we are seeing subpages set as rootpages using title and author rather than section and contributor of {{header}}. I know that I was guilty of that years ago, though thinking that we need to come back to our preferred methodology rather than being all over the place as we are tending to do so. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:04, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

 Support —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 08:12, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

 Support agreed 100%. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 14:44, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Wikisource:Index librorum prohibitorum

Hi, I created this based on the Wikipedia list. The idea is to be able to see which works on this list are on WS, and which aren't. I see that some notable works are missing here. WP uses templates which don't exist here. Any idea? Thanks, Yann (talk) 22:09, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

@Yann Interesting stuff! I've substituted for the missing templates in question. —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 03:41, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

PS we also have relevant works The Roman Index of Forbidden Books (with a partial list in English) and An Index of Prohibited Books (with a complete? list in Latin), which would be good to incorporate in this project. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 14:52, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

PPS should this not be in Portal space? —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:28, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Why not. I don’t know what is WS policy about this, and if it should be a portal for several such documents. Portal:Censorship? Yann (talk) 16:34, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

We do already have Portal:Banned books for the general concept —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:25, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Ah yes, but Censorship is a wider scope than Banned books. It includes magazines, journals, pamphlets, etc. Yann (talk) 17:22, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Presumably there is a published list. It would need to be backed by a scan and set up at LAtin Wikisource, after which we could create a local translation. But in the meantime, the Catholic Church's list might warrant a Portal of its own. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:09, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

In a couple of years, this edition in English will be PD in the US. However, I do not believe there exists any published edition, in Latin or otherwise, that lists all works that were ever prohibited. Each edition of the Index added some works and removed some works. So a portal would still be valuable. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:54, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

No page about partnerships?

Hi,

Is there no documentation page listing all collaboration partnerships with the English Wikisource ? (I only found Category:WikiProjects but it seems it mixes internal and external projects... and there is no quick overview of what has been done when). I was expecting something like fr:Wikisource:Partenariats or it:Wikisource:Collaborazioni?

Did I miss it? and if so, is someone willing to create it?

Cheers, VIGNERON en résidence (talk) 14:39, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

sorry, we are poor at documentation; no, you did not miss it. Some of this is historical: while French had an early collaboration with the French national library, English was following Project Gutenberg, and providing sources for PD text dumps in English wikipedia. w:Wikisource#History Our Library of Congress developed their own in house transcription site. We could try to promote partnerships, but institutional interest has been low. what activity there is gets reported in the GLAM newsletter. There is video activity of WSUG on meta, but documentation is a challenge. --Slowking4 ‽ digitaleffie's ghost 21:59, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Math error

Hi, does anyone know how to fix Page:Epjconf mmUniverse2021 00017.pdf/4? I know latex, but not so much how it works here. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:02, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Poll regarding March 2023 Wikisource Community meeting

Hello fellow Wikisource enthusiasts!

We will be organizing this month’s Wikisource Community meeting in the last week of March and we need your help to decide on a time and date that works best for the most number of people. Kindly share your availabilities at the wudele link below:

https://wudele.toolforge.org/U2feqmZBy62FJjVd

Meanwhile, feel free to check out the page on Meta-wiki and suggest topics for the agenda.

Regards

KLawal-WMF and PMenon-WMF

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Tech News: 2023-12

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• Last week, some users experienced issues loading image thumbnails. This was due to incorrectly cached images. [7]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 March. It will be on all wikis from 23 March (calendar).
• A link to the user's Special:CentralAuth page will appear on Special:Contributions — some user scripts which previously added this link may cause conflicts. This feature request was voted #17 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey.
• The Special:AbuseFilter edit window will be resizable and larger by default. This feature request was voted #80 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey.
• There will be a new option for Administrators when they are unblocking a user, to add the unblocked user’s user page to their watchlist. This will work both via Special:Unblock and via the API. [8]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Wikipedia mobile apps teams. During the meeting, we will discuss the current features and future roadmap. The meeting will be on 24 March at 17:00 (UTC). See details and how to join.

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Some banal questions

Coming back into en.source after years, I'm going to upload a large work in 6 volumes: Lives of the most eminent painters, sculptors, and architects, by Giorgio Vasari, translated by Jonathan Foster, published by Henry C. Bohn, London 1850. My first problem is, to select a good name for the six volumes, harmonized with en.wikisource preferences.

My proposal (short but informative): File:Vasari - Lives, Bohn 1850, I.djvu.

Can any of you give me any comment or suggest a better alternative? Thanks!

(Other questions will follow for sure.... :-) ) Alex brollo (talk) 18:33, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Alex brollo: Please look to use arabic numbering, rather than roman numerals. Looking at the name of the work at enWP, and adding a clearer indication of a volume would be helpful, so File:Vasari - Lives of the Most Excellent Painters, Sculptors, and Architects, volume 1 (Bohn 1850).djvu would have been where I would go, noting that "Bohn 1850" may be superfluous if there is only the one English edition. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:21, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Billinghurst Thanks! IA stores multiple editions of that work, some of them from the same editor, nevertheless there is no upload of any of them into en.wikisource by now, so I can simplify the file name.

Another question: is syntax header="1" into pages tag recommended into en.source? Alex brollo (talk) 05:47, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Not "recommended" as such. It's available for simple transclusions, but doesn't work for the more complex where there are contributors. I usually say "use with caution." Beeswaxcandle (talk) 10:42, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Alex brollo: For these encyclopaedic/dictionary works, we have been building work specific templates based on template:collective work header ([9]) or building something based on {{header}}, eg. {{oxon}} as a means to make the transclusion plug and play, and that actually works way better than header=1 IMNSHO. It is my aim to look to migrate more to "collective work header". I just haven't got there yet. Happy to build something for you, just need to see more what the work look like. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:51, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Beeswaxcandle @Billinghurst Thanks. I'll do some tests working into Volume 1 upload by a "try and learn" strategy. If I'll do any severe mistake.... please warn me. Alex brollo (talk) 14:31, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Beeswaxcandle @Billinghurst After some tries, I found that Lives... is an heavy, but simple text, and syntax header="1" seems effective.

1. What is en.wikisource policy about new template creation? If it is not severely discouraged:
   1. Can I create a work specific template to be used for TOC elements?
   2. Can I create a Template:Ct, importing it from it:Template:Ct?
2. What's the policy of en.source about styles.css nsIndex: subpage? I see it as a extraordinary advancement, can I do some tries?

Alex brollo (talk) 08:05, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@Alex brollo: We suggest {{collective work header}} as a basis for a work specific template for numbers of good reason. 1) it is a template and allows us to categorise easily; 2) apply css styling from the template, 3) utilise for feeding things to WD, 4) apply templates that allow WD management finders, etc. Re work specific template, we would not think that we need more formatting templates, they typically exist, so most are other organisational aspects; for ToC, it isn't generally needed as we have the Index: .css files for that purpose and that is a far more efficient means to manage and style ToC; it also allows for simple table coding (peek at User:Billinghurst/styles for index css for some examples), I find "work_TOC" style works in so many simple ToC.

No, do not create "ct" template, it has already been discussed by the community and deleted, it is just a typographic style that existed for a short period of time, it is not a real typographical character.

Validated content promotion

Hi, On French Wikisource Main Page, there is a section for validated works (down at right). This encourages contributors to validate content. Any idea how to do that here? Yann (talk) 21:04, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

They are using that to give special attention to New works that have gone straight to validation before being listing as new. Most editors here aim for simple proofreading; it's rare that anything but the shortest works get validated before being listed. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:14, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

while we have matched the French in proofread rate, we lag behind in validation. we also have more non-scan backed pages, given the influence of gutenberg. maybe we need to offer some prizes to encourage validation. it is a section in the Monthly Challenge. but i don’t think rearranging the main page real estate will make a difference. --Slowking4 ‽ digitaleffie's ghost 21:17, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

We used to dedicate 1 of the 12 proofread months of the year to validating works. We also used to roll works in need of validation in after we completed the primary proofread work. [Both those mechanics are still there.] We changed our processes as people preferred a different approach. In short frWP does things differently to us, and why do we think that we need to replicate their approach? I would much prefer that there is a conversation about validating works and why that needs further effort than an idea that we need to mirror someone else's approach. All of our works that are proofread and in need of validation are at Category:Index Proofread.

Also, it is wrong analysis to say that our non-scanned works is due to Gutenberg, while that may have been the case 10-15 years ago, it is not the truth today. There are simply some contributors who just add texts without scans, and nobody harasses them sufficiently to get a change of practice. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:20, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Sure, we don't need to copy frWS, but don't you think that the large amount of works waiting to be validated is an issue? We could do a portal where validated works are displayed. Yann (talk) 20:17, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

if you validated 100 pages per day, you would be keeping up with the French. --Slowking4 ‽ digitaleffie's ghost 13:45, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@Slowking4: Do you mean "we" as a project? That seems perfectly doable. Yann (talk) 15:39, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

March 2023 Wikisource Community meeting

Hello fellow Wikisource enthusiasts!

We are the hosting this month’s Wikisource Community meeting on 27th March 2023 at 10 AM UTC / 3:30 PM IST (check your local time) according to the wudele poll.

The first half of the meeting will be focused on non-technical updates and conversations like events, conferences, proofread-a-thons and collaborations. The second half will be focused on technical updates and conversations, such as talking about major challenges faced by Wikisource communities, similar to the ones conducted in previous Community meetings.

If you are interested in joining the meeting, kindly leave a message on sgill@wikimedia.org and we will add you to the calendar invite.

Meanwhile, feel free to check out the page on Meta-wiki and suggest any other topics for the agenda.

Regards

KLawal-WMF, PMenon-WMF, Sam Wilson (WMF), and Satdeep Gill (WMF)

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That is six in the morning my time, so I could be up for it but I can't promise that I will be mentally functional. BD2412 T 22:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Searching for PAWS users

I've some experience as pywikibot user, mainly into it.wikisource, but only from some weeks I'm exploring PAWS environment - and I'm very interested about. Is here any other PAWS user? Is here a doc/help page about en.wikisource policy about PAWS? Alex brollo (talk) 07:58, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@Alex brollo: I use PAWS to run PWB for ad hoc tasks. We have no specific policy about PAWS, nor any other specific tool. You're responsible for every edit made from your account, and if the edit is automated you're expected to be even more careful than usual about the quality and appropriateness of the edit. And while MediaWiki rate-limits non-bot accounts, if you push up to that limit over any significant amount of time you're going to flood recent changes and make both patrollers and others rather cross. If you need very large numbers of edits or unattended edits you're going to have to request a bot account (and expect scrutiny and discussion, and, sadly, probably also a long wait). Xover (talk) 10:37, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

This is the surprising fact: the opportunity to act as a bot, with no local bot privileges. Ok. I'll add into my local user page something about my personal "PAWS policy".

Can be installed into PAWS binaries as DjvuLibre? --Alex brollo (talk) 13:24, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@Alex brollo: Well, that's sort of the point: you can't really act as a bot without a dedicated bot account. But we have all sorts of Gadgets and user scripts that help wholly or partly automate various editing tasks. So we could hardly complain if someone runs another tool (AWB, PWB, etc.) to help with their own editing.

But you don't get higher rate limits (the actual "bot" flag), you don't get the bot flag (aka. the "flood" flag, that hides the edits from recent changes), and since the task in question hasn't been subjected to community scrutiny and approval it has no presumption of correctness (so you need to check each edit even more carefully than manual edits). In short, we're talking about your own edits even if you use some form of automation or semi-automation to help you make them.

So far as I know you can't really install anything on PAWS, beyond simple scripts (PWB scripts, say) in your user directory. It's not really meant as an interactive shell (there's Toolforge and WMCS for that); it's designed for the more higher-level tools for analysis etc. I find it a very handy place to run PWB instead of having to maintain an install on my local machine, but not much beyond that. Your mileage may vary, depending on your needs. Xover (talk) 07:00, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@Xover Ok, I'll be cautious. I see that any PAWS edit is automatically tagged, and this facilitates for sure needed patrolling of edits. I apologyze for following a little bit too strictly the general statement "Be bold". ;-) Alex brollo (talk) 09:44, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Tech News: 2023-13

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The AbuseFilter condition limit was increased from 1000 to 2000. [10]
• Some Global AbuseFilter actions will no longer apply to local projects. [11]
• Desktop users are now able to subscribe to talk pages by clicking on the Subscribe link in the Tools menu. If you subscribe to a talk page, you receive notifications when new topics are started on that talk page. This is separate from putting the page on your watchlist or subscribing to a single discussion. [12]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 28 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 29 March. It will be on all wikis from 30 March (calendar).

Future changes

• You will be able to choose visual diffs on all history pages at the Wiktionaries and Wikipedias. [13]
• The legacy Mobile Content Service is going away in July 2023. Developers are encouraged to switch to Parsoid or another API before then to ensure service continuity. [14]

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Impending transwikification, feedback could be helpful

There is a discussion going on at en-wiki about transwikification of the translation of a Vichy-era antisemitic law. None of us have experience at Wikisource (well, I have a tiny bit), and we're kind of flailing around. It might be helpful and avoid wasted effort if someone here could weigh in at that discussion, and indicate where we've got things right or wrong, and point us where to go next. One specific question that occurs to me, is when in the process of creating this translation (a full version exists, made by contributors to that article) or verifying it, should the whole thing be moved here, with further work taking place at Wikisource rather than Wikipedia? I.e., should it be moved now, and if not, what are the prerequisites? Your comments would be appreciated at w:Talk:Second law on the status of Jews#Transwikification prep. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 18:27, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Mathglot I believe this is the same discussion that is being held at Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help#Law decree move to Wikisource — you may find that your questions have been addressed already at that location :) —Beleg Tâl (talk) 18:58, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Indeed; thanks! Mathglot (talk) 17:51, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Statuts check on item at IA..

https://archive.org/details/sim_optical-society-of-america-journal_1943-07_33_7/mode/1up?q=Munsell

Journal articles related to the 1943 re-notation of the Munsell Color system.

Are these in copyright? The journal issue doesn't have a notice. and I can't seem to find a renewal in the CCE. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:23, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

• ShakespeareFan00: According to this the first renewed issue was 41(12) (you’re looking at 33(7)), and there were no renewed contributions, either. A quick check of CCE leads me to agree with you. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 18:04, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

  So would you be willing to upload this specfic issue to Commons? It's rare for Wikisource to have a set of technical articles in the Monthly Challange, and I'd already put 2 works on the Munsell Color system into Wikisource.

  I was asking about this journal article , because it contains some technical data, that would be a useful aid to others creating specific tools that rely on color calibrations, even if it's not an "official" data set.

  Like for example, writing a color de-ager is beyond me, but certainly isn't beyond certain other Wikimedia contributors, if the relevant datasets exist.

  ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:29, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

  (Aside: Can you think of other datasets that might be in old journal articles ; NBS/NIST publications?) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:29, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

  • ShakespeareFan00: Here you go: Index:Journal of the Optical Society of America, volume 33, number 7.pdf. I have separated out the pagelist for the three main articles, and have set up the header for the first article. I think these would be fine, so long as separate work is done on the tables: those look quite painful. The closest thing to dataset work for me would be something like The Probable Error of a Mean, but that didn’t have nearly so much work in the realm of tables. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 19:07, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

    Also located - https://archive.org/details/jresv31n1p55 which is one of the same papers, but the tables are in a form that is easier to transcribe. Thanks :) 22:57, 2 April 2023 (UTC) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:57, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Pride and Prejudice

Can Pride and Prejudice be moved to Pride and Prejudice (Third Edition) to make way for a versions page? Languageseeker (talk) 02:33, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Looks like it has been moved, but to Pride and Prejudice (1817). --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:39, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

 This section is considered resolved, for the purposes of archiving. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. EncycloPetey (talk) 19:39, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

A Room with a View

The DjVu file on Commons (File:A Room with a View.djvu) was deleted without first uploading it here. Can someone acquire the file and upload it locally? --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:15, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@EncycloPetey it was uploaded here, see File:A_Room_With_a_View.djvu Mpaa (talk) 18:26, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

It needs to be under exactly the same name as the original, or it won't be transcluded. Right now, the entire book is broken. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:01, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Don't shoot the messenger :-) Mpaa (talk) 20:40, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Done. Mpaa (talk) 20:48, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Done --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:57, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

 This section is considered resolved, for the purposes of archiving. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. Yann (talk) 10:04, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Template:Arxiv

Can we import w:en:Template:Arxiv from en.Wikipedia (or elsewhere)? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:47, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Why do we need it? What use are you envisioning? Almost seems that arxiv should be pushed into WD and we pull it out through an authority control. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:06, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Same as {{doi}} and {{BHL page link}}, &c. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:46, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

So this is requested for use on Author pages to point to external locations, instead of importing the work locally? Does Wikisource need to catalog external sources? --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:48, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Four pages to be validated

Please help to validate 4 pages in Index:MKGandhi patriot.djvu. Thanks, Yann (talk) 12:50, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

• Yann: Done! TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 18:01, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

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Template:Listen part

Undocumented, personally embarrassing (due to the paste, the unnamed new parameters 2 and 3, etc.), yet "working" is {{Listen part}}. The template, which requires a start time (formatted HH:MM:SS) and an end time, will play a portion of a sound file. The first parameter is the filename, second is start time and third is end time and it accepts the named parameters of the {{Listen}} template. Any help cleaning it up would be great. Truly, I have no idea how the listen template is working as it seems to violate the template "rules" about characters and things, Listen part being the same.

Enough with template functions to English words, seeing might be better for understanding: The Arrow and the Song has included a portion of a sound file which contains several poems. --RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:08, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

An additional problem, is that there does not seem to be a way to tell wikidata the start or end time (being that start time wants a YY MM DDish).--RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:52, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Some things.

• Why start a new template rather than modify {{listen}} and expand its capability, especially as we have sandboxes to use and to test. We need better templats, not a smattering of similar and confusing templates
• When creating templates, please do not rely on positional parameters, we much prefer that named parameters are in place, and positional are subsequent to those named parameters. It truly adds robustness to templates, and helps problem-solving.
• Times can be represented in mm:ss or hh:mm:ss, shown in mw:Extension:TimedMediaHandler, nothing to do with dates, they are solely duration.

I have it working now within {{listen}} and will amend your uses to use that template. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:36, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

It would seem that when a file is only in mm:ss in length, that it doesn't stop when time is given in hh:mm:ss. I cannot say that I have done an extensive test on this, just notice that when I correct to that form I am not having failures to stop. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:54, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Inverted asterisms

Some works contain an inverted asterism - the symbol ⁂ but upside-down. This upside-down variant is not included in Unicode, and I can't find any indication whether this is because it was overlooked, or because they consider it to be the same character, or what.

Anyway, I created a template {{inverted asterism}} which will display an asterism upside-down, and we can update the template if we get more information about Unicode's handling of this symbol. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 14:07, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

We had had the conversation years ago, and typically we reached the conclusion is that they are typically symbols without specific meaning, and not having an infograhics function, so putting normal or inverted asterism didn't make a difference, as long as both didn't appear in a work, which they hadn't to our knowledge. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:02, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Interwiki Links in Recent Changes: Where did They Go?

Maybe i lost some update, but let me ask a simple question:

I switched from Vector 2010 to Vector 2022 to test the new interface in Wikisource: I quickly noticed a different position fo the interwikilinks: there are (unfortunately) very few of them in ns0, but that is not my concern: I am used to navigating through main pages or RecentChanges in different languages.

The interwikilinks in the Main Page were moved in the bottom-right of the page, but... where are they located in the RC page? In Vector 2010 (on it.source) I added them myself and they showed up, but in Vector 2022 they simply disappeared. Is Wikidata involved? is there an open task in Phabricator? Did I miss anything? THank you for your kind reply! εΔω 12:34, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@OrbiliusMagister: Hi! No idea, but... In MediaWiki:Recentchangestext they show up (if added) as a drop-down list at the top position ([15]) with a link to m:Help:Recent changes. But in the transclusion they desappear ([16]), and it appears a language selector instead (and the link to the help page). Here, in en.source, this language selector is not present maybe because there are no interwiki links in the Mediawiki page ([17]). So if no interwikis, then no language selector?? It make no sense for me, so it seems a double bug: the override, and the weird logic. -Aleator (talk) 12:14, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, in en.source, the language selector is in the left menu, at the bottom. -Aleator (talk) 12:18, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Tested in ca.source: if removed interwikis from MediaWiki:Recentchangestext, then Special:RecentChanges moves the language selector from top to left menu. But no interwikis show up. -Aleator (talk) 12:25, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

@OrbiliusMagister, @Aleator: Interwiki language links were deprecated due to Wikidata, so {{Interwiki Wikisource}} was converted to that WD format, and later removed from the Mediawiki: ns page by Xover. It seems to have used the code {{noexternallanglinks}} which doesn't appear to work as Special pages don't call WD. In its place I have just hard-coded all the interwikis and plugged the template back in. We can work out whether we still need the beast or not.

As it appears that the long held idea of universal templates and the like is coming (if I read //api.wikimedia.org correctly) this sort of list is one that we would not be looking to hold locally anyway, and instead share across the wiki family. So there is an amount of "watch this space." — billinghurst sDrewth 02:24, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: — billinghurst sDrewth 23:28, 17 May 2023 (UTC)