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No. of articles = 1,079,092
No. of files = 16,613
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No. of pages in Main = 641,073
No. of pages in Page: = 3,466,456
No. validated in Page: = 684,987
No. proofread in Page: = 1,404,932
No. not proofread in Page: = 1,059,927
No. problematic in Page: = 48,995
No. of validated works = 5,101
No. of proofread only works = 3,538
No. of pages in Main
with transclusions = 430,746
% transcluded pages in Main = 67.19
Σ pages in Main

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No. of users = 3,164,947
No. of active users = 493
No. of group:autopatrolled = 506
No. in group:sysop = 22
No. in group:bureaucrat = 2
No. in group:bot = 17

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• Wikisource:checkuser policy
• At this point of time, English Wikisource has no checkusers and requests need to be undertaken by stewards
  • it would be expected that requests on authentic users would be discussed on this wiki prior to progressing to stewards
  • requests by administrators for identification and blocking of IP ranges to manage spambots and longer term nuisance-only editing can be progressed directly to the stewards
  • requests for checkuser

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• To request a global rename, go to Special:GlobalRenameRequest.

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Category:External links on protected pages & Category:Templates used in Mediawiki namespace

We have a bit of a maintenance issue in that external links in protected templates and mediawiki: ns are being missed when we are updating links. To assist, I have created the above parent tracking category to label such pages. We obviously cannot use it on Mediawiki: pages, so will have to be content with putting it on the corresponding talk page. I am working through creating subcats for each WMF tool that I find as they are more likely need to be what is changed, and will do some checks. I will note that as some of these pages use conditional code or includeonly so may be a little tricky to find by searching. [Reminder to not unnecessarily hide things to just avoid visual errors in non-display namespaces or ugly display code.] I am hoping that this will also allow us to check these a little more easily as we have suffered some link rot. I think that we may also need to put some checking categories on these so we can at least check these yearly, though haven't got that far and welcome people's thoughts.

I have also identified that we have had some templates transcluded to the mediawiki: ns that have not been protected. Can I express that any such templates need to be fully protected. If you are using a template within another template, then all subsidiary templates also need to be protected. Noting that it often it can be safest to simply use html span and div code and embedded css.

On that note, if we are protecting templates, it is better practice to use separate {{documentation}} so the docs can readily updated without someone asking for editing of protected templates. This is not pointing fingers, as some of these are old static pages that don't readily get traffic, and reflect older generation practices.

I welcome any suggestions/feedback here, and any help perusing of the template: and mediawiki: namespaces for targets. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:39, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Seems we already have Category:MediaWiki namespace templates, I will transition to that and update categories. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:07, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Download button vs. download sidebar

I’m reporting this here because I think an administrator needs to fix a page. The download features in the sidebar don’t do the same thing as the “download” button which floats to the right of the title; see, e.g., here, where the “Download” button gets the whole book, and the download sidebar features only get a list of the books. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 20:15, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.: I don't know why nobody followed up on this issue back in February. Possibly it's because it's a somewhat technical issue and we're a little short on technically-minded admins. In any case: apologies for dropping the ball on this one! Could you retest the issue you originally saw to verify it still behaves the way you observed then? I suspect there may have been intervening changes.

@Samwilson: Using the Download button to download a PDF on the page TE(æ)A,ea. links above gives me a PDF with all the auxtoc pages but none of the actual chapters. Can you tell what's going on there? Xover (talk) 06:29, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Xover: Now, both options are broken. I suspect your removal of the hidden ToC is to blame. Having reverted that change, the issue is reversed: the “download” button gets only the list of books, while the sidebar gets the whole book. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 16:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

  @TE(æ)A,ea., @Xover: I would've said that the sidebar links and the button are the same links, but they're not it seems:

  • Button: https://ws-export.wmcloud.org/?format=epub&lang=en&page=The_Wings_of_the_Dove_(New_York%3A_Charles_Scribner%27s_Sons%2C_1902)
  • Sidebar: https://ws-export.wmcloud.org/?format=epub&lang=en&page=The_Wings_of_the_Dove_%28New_York%3A_Charles_Scribner%27s_Sons%2C_1902%29

  And indeed, the output differs. It's also different from the CLI tool's output with an unencoded title. I'll have a look at fixing this. Sam Wilson 07:59, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Index:Studies in constitutional law Fr-En-US (1891).pdf

The original upload of this file had many pages removed, for some reason (separate from the two missing pages, which have been added). The following pages need to be moved:

• /2–/12 up 5
• /13–/15 up 6
• /16 up 7
• /17–/65 up 8
• /66 up 9
• /67–/149 up 10
• /150 up 11
• /151–/185 up 12
• /186 up 13
• /187–/192 up 14
• /193 up 19

The large swath of pages marked “Problematic” is, I believe, owing to the confused state of the pages. I’ll look over them after the move to see if they need to be changed in any respect. In addition, /31 and /32 can be deleted. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 01:35, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.: Done Xover (talk) 05:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Xover: Thank you. For those pages, delete /158, /159, /161, /196, and /197, and move /163–/195 up two. They can then all be marked as proofread. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 16:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Possible sockpuppet accounts

Based on their editing style, I believe that ALPHATMINJO (talk • contribs) and Natella1995 (talk • contribs) are the same person using undisclosed sockpuppet accounts. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:03, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Given they have edited two minutes apart on different pages ([1] [2]), sockpuppetry seems unlikely to me. — Alien  3
3 3 18:05, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

Proposed block for User:C. A. Russell

Proposed block for User:C. A. Russell:

• Making changes contrary to policy and without discussion
• Then reverting others, accusing them of doing the very same thing: [3]; [4]
• Reverting admin edits that align with established policy: [5], then claiming that such policy-aligned edits are a "substantial change being introduced needs proposal/discussion"

This editor's pattern of editing and interaction seems deliberately confrontational. The user was previously blocked for uncivil comments, and upon return resumed the same problematic editing from before the block. We still have no explanation of the no Gricing allowed edit. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:10, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

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Please stop—please stop the obstructionist/adversarial edits, and please stop the misleading, heavyhanded, uncharitable mischaracterizations about the history and intentions of someone you're in a conflict with.

Please do reach for arguments that hold up under scrutiny because of their merits rather than because A is saying it, and A is an admin, etc.

We had and continue to have two templates/categories for pages where we a way to locate the material from which a given transcription was created:

• Category:Texts without a source (populated by template:no source) for "works which do not have a declared source"
• Category:Texts without a scan (populated by template:no scan) for works without "a scanned copy of the edition from which it was transcribed"

Your unilateral changes to this template back in August are substantial. If we are to take your comments in the original discussion that precipitated my proposal for an interaction ban between the two of us at face value, then this change amounts to a change in the prescription for how the templates are used, and renders the distinction between these categories null. If we take instead your newest comments at face value, then we still end up with people almost certainly misunderstanding the prescription and tagging Category:Texts without a source/{{no source}} things that should be tagged Category:Texts without a scan/{{no scan}}.

If you want to change the text of the template, then please, by all means make clear what your reasons are, stick to the same argument, and let folks weigh the argument on its merits and weigh in after you propose the change first on the template talk page. -- C. A. Russell (talk) 20:55, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Everything you've just said applies to you. Your edits and comments suggest that you intend to make rules for others, without following them yourself. This is part of what "deliberately confrontational" means. It also covers your repeated refusal to answer direct questions, such as: What does "no Gricing allowed" mean? --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:04, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment: Based on the blocking policy, the only justification for a block would be excessive reverts and as both parties to this dispute are engaged in this I do not support a block at this time. In respect of the underlying issue, this is not the venue for the discussion on the differences between no scan and no source. Come up with a concrete proposal for how the two should look and be distinguished and put it in the Proposals section of the Scriptorium. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 21:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

To reiterate: I'm not trying to adjudicate this here. That's why I said multiple times to discuss it on the template talk page. And to be excruciatingly clear: *I* am not proposing a change—the changes are User:EncycloPetey's. I'm advocating *against* the change, precisely *because* it has not been proposed and broadly accepted. User:Jan.Kamenicek, I think you need to comment here, given your involvement (belated—why?—and why without restoring the correct revision that existed prior to the edit warring?) C. A. Russell (talk) 22:02, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Things which are already policy do not need to be proposed. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth; if you really believe that, then why have you opened this discussion with a complaint that I made a change1 without discussion?

Ignoring that—where is the policy that says things that belong to Category:Texts without a scan should be tagged template:no source rather than template:no scan? C. A. Russell (talk) 22:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Regarding your first statement, see the initial posting: you made a change contrary to policy without discussion; the change I made is in accordance with policy. Regarding your second statement, I have made no edit or change about how things should be tagged or categorized. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

The entire basis for your introducing that change was in an edit conflict where you were trying to justify the use of template:no source on a page that had a source. Your rationale was that it needed a scan. We have template:no scan.

It may be the case that the statement exhorting people to add a scan of the source document ("a scanned copy of the source document is preferred") is not against policy, but that's certainly not how you were wielding the fact that the template says (because you changed it to say so) in the dispute where you brought it up.

You're prevaricating. C. A. Russell (talk) 23:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

"[A] scanned copy of the source document is preferred" certainly doesn't contradict policy. Would it be okay to add it any random template, then? Or every template? They're words that don't contradict policy. This is the argument you are making.

We're talking about template:no source. The question is not whether there is any statement that contradicts policy. The question is whether it has anything to do with what the template is about. The template is for things "do not have a declared source". template:no source is not template:no scan. C. A. Russell (talk) 00:03, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Further developments: This user made a change to the Wikisource:Index which I reverted as irrelevant. The user restored the edit [6], so I asked them to please provide context, so readers would know why the link is there. The user chose to delete my request instead of engaging in discussion. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:09, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@C. A. Russell: Well, I do not really like the way you ask me for a comment, but I will answer... Although I noticed the edit warring after it seemingly had ceased, I decided to protect the page to prevent its renewal. If you want to do there any changes and if the community approves them, the page can be unprotected any time. I protected the page including the addition that "a scanned copy of the source document is preferred" because this addition just mirrors the current practice that has been widely accepted by established users in Wikisource. If you do not agree with this practice, you can challenge it somewhere and try to convince the community to change it.

As for the above mentioned revert: To me the added link also does not seem much relevant to the contents of the page, but it is especcially your confrontational style that includes the deletion of the admin's request for comment and also the very uncivil summary to your revert ("if it were irrelevant, I wouldn't have added it") which is not acceptable. Please, abandon this confrontational style. If you continue in this way, you may be blocked without another warning. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 22:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Can you please stop doing this?: "If you want to do there any changes and if the community approves them". There have been multiple utterances on ANI with that shape—responses that completely abandon w:Grice's maxim of relevance. This is the second time I've counted it occurring in this discussion alone.

Imagine if I walked in on you and your partner in a domestic dispute and your partner was striking you. You, trying to get them to stop, seek help. My response, apropos of nothing that's actually happening? To address you, advising you (*you*, not your partner) that "if you want to beat your partner, you either need to do it in some jurisdiction where that's okay, or suffer the consequences for doing it here." C. A. Russell (talk) 23:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

User:Jan.Kamenicek: I am not introducing or attempting to introduce any changes to the template. Please, please, please actually pay attention to what you're acting on and what you are saying and to whom. User:EncycloPetey *is* introducing changes; I am not. Your responses make no sense.

THIS IS THE PAGE AS IT EXISTED: 2021 January 22 revision by User:Inductiveload

THIS IS THE CHANGE YOU ARE PROTECTING: a change by EncycloPetey (introduced for the sole purpose of winning an argument about the misuse of template:no source on a page that had a source, but no scan)

THESE ARE THE CHANGES BETWEEN MY REVISION AND THE REVISION BY User:Inductiveload: "No difference"

Given that the entire basis of my position is that User:EncycloPetey has introduced changes without discussion, and that these changes violate the previous prescribed use of template:no source vs template: no scan, it is *so* obnoxious and frustrating to receive "advice" about *my* (non-existent) desires to make changes—and the approval that changes need before they will be allowed to stick. That is the exact opposite of what has actually happened. -- C. A. Russell (talk) 23:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Everything has already been explained quite clearly, it seems to me that you do not want to understand. I suggest you focus on adding content and learn from what more experienced editors tell you. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 09:41, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

What, exactly, is clear about your and other editors'—who seem not to have actually reviewed the facts that they're commenting on—advising me (perversely) that changes to the template need to be proposed and discussed before they are accepted—when the fact is that I am neither interested in proposing nor attempting to add anything to the template?

The facts: there are additions—not mine—that have been inserted, without any proposal or discussion. I am opposed to them.

But at least two of you have fallen over yourselves dropping non-sequiturs directed at/about me concerning changes I'm purported to be insisting on seeing made to the template.

The fact is, again, that I am not, and it does no use to advise me to propose/discussion additions that I am not making and do not seek to make. C. A. Russell (talk) 23:13, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

It's also fairly obnoxious that I've been repeatedly roped into time-wasting interactions by the other party in this series of disputes, bringing to a standstill the work that I *was* doing outside of this, only to then to be admonished by you to "focus on adding content".

If I'm going to propose anything here, it would be that at least two of you voluntarily de-admin and focus exclusively on adding content yourselves, or at the very least allow others to do the same unmolested without raising charges that their attempts to focus on adding content is proof of their "not listening". C. A. Russell (talk) 23:13, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Another issue: self revert with comment "remove relevant link—folks landing on Wikipedia:Index because they're looking for information about the Index pages described at Help:Namespaces can and should go jump off a cliff" --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:00, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

As this happened shortly before the last warning and there has not been any new incident since, I am inclined to include it into that warning without blocking at this moment. But the user is walking on thin ice. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 09:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

SpikeShroom changing style without discussion

User:SpikeShroom has begun a major style change across Divine Comedy (Longfellow 1867) without discussion, and has asserted a right to "change its style in other ways as I see fit". In the past this ha been considered bad form and unacceptable. I am asking other administrators to explain the problems with this attitude and approach. I have let SpikeShroom know this is a problem, but they have refused to undo their changes and (and I say) asserted a right to make any desired changes to the work, despite a clearly established style. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

After thinking about it for awhile, I have decided to revert all my edits (except the CSS style file, which I can't delete). I am happy to discuss ways I can help you complete this transcription.

—SpikeShroom (talk) 04:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

The way of discussion by SpikeShroom should have been better, what I also really dislike is: The reason I'm doing this without preliminary discussion is because I do not need permission to begin editing works. At the same time I acknowledge the change of the tone in the contribution above. As for the changing of the style: When there are more equally accepted options how to do various formatting, it is usually really inappropriate when a contributor changes the style applied by somebody else just because of their personal preference. Generally I agree that such undiscussed changes should usually be reverted, but in this particular case it is also worth noting that the work was abandoned years ago. It is highly desirable that somebody finishes it and having a contributor willing to continue the work, I suggest being tolerant to them applying a different approach in the rest of the book and making the already proofread parts consistent with it. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 23:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Note: the work itself was completed, all of the Inferno and its Notes were proofread. Only some of the appendices containing additional separate works, bound in the same volume and consisting of about 50 pages, had not been done. These are separate works, by other authors than Dante, which Longfellow included in the Appendices so that the reader would not have to amass a library of volumes to access the documents and poems he referred to in the Notes. They are not part of the same poem, most are in prose, and many are excerpts quoted from much longer works. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

The work is Divine Comedy, not Inferno, I understand and sympathize if that someone is willing to proofread 2/3 volumes they have a strong case for updating the first volume to match the other two for consistency. I am not sure there is a perfect flow here, and if the contributor has been here for 4 years, 8k edits they probably are motivated to do the work. MarkLSteadman (talk) 02:58, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Notice of steward CU

Hello there, as per the local CU policy I just wanted to let you know that I performed a local check on a spambot (LawerenceCorley (talk • contribs)) here at enwikisource. This was the only check performed here by me, no other accounts or IPs other than the associated ones were checked. Thanks, EPIC (talk) 20:37, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello. I am informing you that I checked the account Dahyang8484 (talk • contribs), which I locked for cross-wiki abuse. No other account has been checked or showed up on the checks I performed. For transparency, I've sent detailed information to checkuser-l. Best regards, Elton (talk) 02:16, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Per above, I also wanted to note that I just performed a local check on a spambot (IsabelleTemple (talk • contribs)). As the account was not registered on loginwiki (due to job queue issues), the check needed to be performed here. As in the case above, no other accounts or IPs were checked. EPIC (talk) 18:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Noting again for transparency that I performed a local check on a cross-wiki spam account (Ballala (talk • contribs)), since I couldn't do a check on loginwiki. No other accounts or IPs were checked except the related IP. EPIC (talk) 11:12, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi, there. As per the local CU policy, I just wanted to note that I checked a spambot account (Helena0792 (talk • contribs)) locally. No other accounts or IP addresses other than the associated ones were checked. Regards, RadiX∞ 04:32, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, as per the local policy I am noting that I checked a spambot account locally (GarfieldWinneke (talk • contribs)), similarly to the checks noted above. --KonstantinaG07 (talk) 14:26, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Protected edit requests

Can somebody who understands the problems better have a look at the requests that have gathered at Category:Wikisource protected edit requests, please? -- Jan Kameníček (talk) 13:16, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Edit request

Crossposting my edit request from last week on Scriptorium here since only an admin could grant it and haven't gotten any response over there. Apologies if this is seen as being too pushy, I just haven't gotten any sort of reply yet and figured this might be an acceptable next step for being seen/getting a response.

My request is the following: I've been addressing specific priority syntax errors here on Wikisource, and have dropped two error types down to near zero. The Tidy Font Bug (78 remain), and Misnested tags (42 remain). 77 and 41 of these are on Full protected pages, and I wondered if I could have access to these Tidy font and these misnested pages for a brief time to address these issues. I have 2 years of experience on Wikipedia with handling these (and other) tracked syntax errors in an respectful and knowledgeable manner, and currently have a temporary adminship (Sept-Dec) on Wikivoyage, where I addressed 99.99% of their 30k syntax errors in 5k edits (Aug-Sept). I am happy to discuss or answer any questions admin may have. Thanks, and hope you have a great day. Zinnober9 (talk) 05:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

@Zinnober9: Such rights can be granted only by bureaucrats, i. e. Beeswaxcandle or BD2412. If you need temporary admin rights, I suspect that a formal request at Wikisource:Administrators#Nominations for adminship will be needed. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 10:30, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@Zinnober9: It's a relatively small number of edits. I can make them. Is it just a matter of, for example, changing:

<font style="color: #000000; text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold">[[User:Zhaladshar|Zhaladshar]]</font> ^{<font style="color: #FF0000; font-size: small; text-decoration: none">[[User talk:Zhaladshar|(Talk)]]</font>}

to

[[User:Zhaladshar|<font style="color: #000000; text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold">Zhaladshar</font>]] ^{[[User talk:Zhaladshar|<font style="color: #FF0000; font-size: small; text-decoration: none">(Talk)</font>]]}

throughout the page? BD2412 T 14:28, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@BD2412 The ones triggering the counts on Special:LintErrors/tidy-font-bug are mostly? all? Spangineer's signature, with recommended change:

<font color="brown">[[User talk:Spangineer|(háblame)]]</font>

to

[[User talk:Spangineer|<span style="color:brown">(háblame)</span>]].

Zhaladshar's signature is an oddity in that it is written in a Tidy font way (color stated outside the link), but for some odd reason isn't reporting as a Tidy font (it should be, but it's only reporting as obsolete tags used). I would still fully recommend adjusting Zhaladshar's signature however. Your suggested change would clear the Tidy font aspect of it, but I would swap it to this instead:

[[User:Zhaladshar|<span style="color: #000000; text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold">Zhaladshar</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Zhaladshar|<span style="color: #FF0000; font-size: small; text-decoration: none">(Talk)</span>]]}

to fix both the unreported Tidy font issues and the reported obsoletes in one go.

For the two pages with multiple misnested errors, Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2007 and Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2008

If you'd change </sup>''''' to '''</sup> that'll clear all those up. It's with the

^{'''''[[Wikisource:Collaboration of the Week|Collaboration of the Week]]:'' [[Author:XXXXXX]]}''''' posts, and there's an extra italics, and the remaining bold is misnested with the sup closer. There isn't anything else on those two pages with </sup>''''', so that's a safe X to Y find and replace.

I'm happy for you to take care of those Tidy fonts and misnested errors for me, I'm also happy to go through a temporary admin nomination process here since I've done that before on Wikivoyage, and there will be some other full protected pages of interest later on as I get the Obsoletes reduced (I'm seeing 725 obsolete errors on 75 full protected pages at this moment with 2500 unprotected that I can handle now). Your call, I'm the guest here. Zinnober9 (talk) 18:55, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

I will give it a shot now. BD2412 T 19:19, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

So, how can I tell whether that has worked? BD2412 T 20:20, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@BD2412 Looks great, thank you so much! You can tell by the Page information (link in the tools section of the sidebar) it tells what Lint errors remain (if any) on a specific page in the Lint section towards the bottom. this has a few and this has no tracked Lint issues (of any type) remaining. In this case though, where the error type is almost eliminated from the site, it's easier to look at the list of just that one error type in particular: Special:LintErrors/tidy-font-bug. Got two pages remaining for you and that'll finish these off*.

For the single Tidy Font on Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2007 change <i><font color="#9966FF">[[User:BirgitteSB|Birgitte]]</font><font color="#CC99CC" size="2">SB</font></i>

to

[[User:BirgitteSB|<span style="color:#9966FF">Birgitte</span>]]<span style="color:#CC99CC; font-size:small">SB</span>

and for the four on Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-03, change

<b><font color="000000">[[User:Adrian|A]]</font></b><font color="#646060">drian</font><b> <font color="#000000">[[User_Talk:Adrian|L]]</font></b><font color="#646060">amo </font><b><font color="#F660AB">·· </font></b>

to

<b>[[User:Adrian|<span style="color:#000000">A</span>]]</b><span style="color:#646060">drian</span><b> [[User_Talk:Adrian|<span style="color:#000000">L</span>]]</b><span style="color:#646060">amo </span><b><span style="color:#F660AB">·· </span></b>

*The other single Tidy font case (Spangineer's signature) on LlywelynII's (unprotected) talk page is a different story. I've been reverted once and the user has refused and reverted my attempt to discuss it despite clear explanation of what and why I had adjusted Spangineer's signature and the Obsolete tags in their own signature, so I've felt I'm not in a position to push it. My hope has been that another user or an admin might have better luck from the social perspective of fixing that Tidy Font. Zinnober9 (talk) 20:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

There's also the LintHint tool you can use that reads that Lint info, and allows for checking a full page before publishing an edit. It gets added to your Common.js page and is a major tool I use in checking behind myself in editing. Zinnober9 (talk) 20:56, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Are there more protected pages that have errors to fix? BD2412 T 21:17, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but I'm only interested in three pages at this moment. I'm going wait and assess what remains in the Obsoletes after the unprotected pages are depleted. My hope is that those full-protected pages with Obsolete tags will have only 4 or 5 repeating signatures and won't take much effort.

The three pages I'm interested in right now are the following. I made the full page changes in my sandbox for our convenience, so you can take the newer version of each sandbox diff and paste it to the original page for a full page or sectional replacement.

• diff Dmitrismirnov for the changes on User:Dmitrismirnov (table tags, unclosed/stripped tags)
• diff Archive for the remaining errors on Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-03 (fostered table errors, obsolete/unclosed/misnested tags) and
• diff Henry James for section Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2007#Author:Henry James (stripped s tags).

No rush, whenever it is convenient. Thank you so much! Zinnober9 (talk) 20:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes.. See Special:LintErrors by going through each namespace in turn. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:38, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Adjacent discussion

@BD2412: A susbstantial proportion of the non Page namespace Missing tags are the use of P tags to put paragraph breaks in talk page comments. Converting these over to {{pbr}} would make a substantial impact. Other missing tags are possibly more complex to fix. In terms of Page namespace the vast majority of LintErrors are resulting from unpaired format. There are some Lint's on Mainspace, but those might be tricky to fix reliably. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:09, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

I'd like to keep that separate from this discussion, if you don't mind too terribly, since the errors I've asked about are a much smaller, more manageable set at this moment. And also since you are already discussing the P tags a few sections above, I don't wish to duplicate conversations if that's ok. Zinnober9 (talk) 23:20, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Did you mean {{pbr}}? I'm not sure how adding vertical spacing fits this issue. — Alien  3
3 3 06:28, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Additional (Protected) Pages Non exhaustive (use S as each item resolved.)

• Wikisource:Proposed_deletions/Archives/2006-09 - Missing tag in Heading (unclosed SPAN)
• Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-03 - Misnested code tags, and possibly a need to check table end tags?
• User:Dmitrismirnov Fostered content, and missing table field markers?
• Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2007 - Misnested tags (S used over multi-block content)
• Wikisource talk:Style guide/Archives/2006-06 - Stay or unpaired DIV closing tag
• Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2006 - Stray or upaired list tags?

Missing tags ((Most likely I,B or P)

• Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2008
• Wikisource talk:Style guide/Archives/2006-06
• Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-04
• Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-05
• Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-06
• Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-07
• Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-11
• Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2015
• Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2018
• Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-01
• Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-09
• Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-11
• Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2005-08
• Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2005-12-31
• Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-03
• Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-04
• Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-06
• Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-06
• Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-07

Obselete (typically FONT)

• Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2008
• Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2008
• Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2005-12
• Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-04
• Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-06
• Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-11
• Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-11
• Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2006
• Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2015
• Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2016
• Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2017
• Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2018
• Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-02
• Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-04
• Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-06
• Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-07
• Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-09
• Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2005-04
• Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2005-12-31
• Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2005-12-31
• Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-03
• Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-03
• Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-04
• Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-06
• Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-07
• Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-10

Index merge request

I’m putting this request here so that administrators can deal with the Page: moves. Index:OSFAn-10 (1970).pdf has recently been created, which contains the entire issue of the periodical from which Index:The Eye of Argon.djvu has been excerpted. Could someone please move the pages from the .djvu to the .pdf, please? Thank you. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 22:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Maybe @CalendulaAsteraceae:? --Jan Kameníček (talk) 22:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm happy to do this move, but I notice that Index:OSFAn-10 (1970).pdf is missing pages 49 and 50. Maybe take this to the scan lab first? —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 05:41, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Or maybe at least put two blind pages if the right pages are temporarily not to find anywhere... Draco flavus (talk) 16:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Index:Hempstead's Reports.pdf

I’ve added the missing pages from this file. /259 and /260 need to be deleted. /1 needs to be deleted and all other pages moved down by 1. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 17:25, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Done — Alien  3
3 3 15:55, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

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Some registration problems mentioned in Scriptorium

Does anybody have any idea what the problem could be with some new accounts' registration, as asked at Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help#IP_Block_Exemption? The IP does not seem to be blocked either locally or globally. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 19:01, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

V22 Discussions

Hi admins, just checking if it would be ok to start three separate discussions at the Scriptorium to try to get consensus on the best way for Vector 22 to handle a few specifics, to keep the discussions with the WMF web staff going and get their support implementing the outcomes. The main things seem to be:

• {{overfloat image}} (currently breaks when Standard and Large text sizes are selected)
• Text size options in appearance menu (what should the default be, etc.)
• Dark mode

I don't want to rush in if this isn't the best way to go about this. --Yodin^T 23:10, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Paragraph spacing

As there was no opposition in the discussion now archived in Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing, may I ask somebody more skilled in this to make the proposed change? -- Jan Kameníček (talk) 11:48, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Could e.g. @Alien333: make it? --Jan Kameníček (talk) 16:09, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

(I'm a bit busy IRL right now, so I don't have the time to properly get to it. next week probably) — Alien  3
3 3 16:11, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

@Jan.Kamenicek: I have done everything I can last week, and started discussion at MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css. Xover (only active intadmin) is having doubts about this specific solution, and he's only available on-and-off, so the discussion is taking a while, that's all. — Alien  3
3 3 17:19, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

Oh, I have not noticed that. I am still seeing that the spacing is much larger than it used to be, while I understood from the previous conversation that it will be possible to override. And what is really disappoiting is that in fact this solution was promised by the WMF people OVasileva and SGrabarczuk to work, which apparently was not true. Their previous contributions seemed to have been written only to calm us, but this time I really did believe them... --Jan Kameníček (talk) 21:18, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

@Jan.Kamenicek: It has not been deployed, and it would work. Xover (who, as the only active intadmin, is the only one able to edit that page) is just reluctant at adding stuff to Site.css. I've been trying to convince him that we don't have an alternative. Right now, we just have to wait for Xover to agree. I've nudged him again at his talk. — Alien  3
3 3 08:18, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

Index page errors

Most index pages that I see throw the error

Lua error in Module:Proofreadpage_index_template at line 516: data for mw.loadData contains unsupported data type 'function'.

Could someone please fix this? TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 23:27, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Done—reverted the edit for now. Index:National Ballad and Song (1897), vol. 5.djvu is a random sample index that was broken, and it's fixed now. SnowyCinema (talk) 23:40, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

The cause of the error has been fixed, but the effect of the error and the error message will continue to pop up all over the site until the reversion propagates. I am still seeing the error on Index pages, and so are other people. If the reversion is not self-propagating, then we may need to run a bot to do a "touch edit" or "null edit" on every Index page site-wide. --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:24, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

I have needed to at least purge all Index pages affected by this issue. Any Index that is still affected by this won't show up in some querying tools, such as DynamicPageList. Some type of site-wide purge of the Index namespace would certainly be useful (at least for me, so I don't have to manually purge every Index in my scope to get my tracking tools to work again). @EncycloPetey Penguin1737 (talk) 23:09, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

See WS:S#Index lua issue, where this possibility is under discussion. First we'd need a good way to select all pages that have the issue. If we purge the whole index namespace, even at one edit a second (we've got 16k indexes; if we did one edit a minute, it would take us 11 days. And one edit a minute, every minute, for eleven days, would probably still be much too much server load.

If you have an idea how we could programatically find all affected pages without too many false positives, you're welcome to present it at the WS:S discussion. Cheers, — Alien  3
3 3 06:34, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

The revert that mattered was this one and not this one. — Alien  3
3 3 07:03, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Is this also the reason that the transclusion check tool is not currently functioning? I ran a check on Index:Dark Hester.djvu, and all of the grey (Not text) pages were highlighted in red, which is supposed to mean that they were included when they shouldn't be, but when I checked linkages for individual no-text pages, in fact they have not been transcluded. --EncycloPetey (talk) 12:19, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

That's due to {{index progress bar}} (here used on the main page because it's the POTM). The way it works is counted by mediawiki as transcluding the pages. Hence, all pages of that index (whether or not they have actually been transcluded) show up as transcluded. — Alien  3
3 3 12:23, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

So the index progress bar also has a reversion that needs to be made? Because something changed the function of the transclusion check in the past week. --EncycloPetey (talk) 12:35, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

No, {{index progress bar}} has done this for a long while, and for POTMs all pages have appeared as transcluded for a long while too. (Besides, if you're not convinced, check the relevant pages: none of MediaWiki:Gadget-transclusion-check.js, {{Collaboration/POTM}}, {{index progress bar}} or Module:Index progress have been edited in the last year.)— Alien  3
3 3 12:42, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

I have run checks as recently as last week where this behavior did not happen. Something has changed the behavior of our transclusion check tool. --EncycloPetey (talk) 12:58, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

That work you checked last week probably was not given as parameter to a {{index progress bar}}. For example, if you go to Index:Anna Karenina.djvu, it doesn't have that issue because no page contains {{index progress bar|Anna Karenina.djvu}}. If that check was on Dark Hester, the difference may be caused by the fact that it was not POTM until the 7th (5 days ago). If it was on A Room of One's Own, it may have been caused by the fact that since the 7th (5 days ago) it is not the POTM work anymore, and so it isn't in a {{index progress bar}}. (And this isn't new, again; I remember coming across the "considers everything transcluded" as far back as last year, for The Tower (Yeats).) — Alien  3
3 3 13:08, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Are you saying that the index progress bar affects the function of the transclusion check button found on the Index page? --EncycloPetey (talk) 13:10, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, as I said above, that template's using PRP's lua API to get the number of proofread or validated or &c pages, is counted by MediaWiki as a transclusion. So, when the gadget asks mw.Api() for the transcludedin property of the pages (filtering to keep only results in Main or Translation namespaces), it returns the pages that has the progress bar, and so as far as the script is concerned that page is transcluded. e.g. if you go to Special:WhatLinksHere/Page:Dark_Hester.djvu/83, it says that it's transcluded by the Main Page, Main Page/sandbox2 and Main Page/sandbox.

I suppose we could implement a fix that would work in most cases, by editing the script so that it discards transclusions on pages starting by "Main Page". As that is about the only places where {{index progress bar}} will be used in the main namespace, it should get rid of most issues. — Alien  3
3 3 13:20, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

None of that has explained why the behavior of the transclusion check button has changed since a week ago. --EncycloPetey (talk) 13:23, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

What I'm trying to telling you that it has not changed. For at least a year, all works that had an {{index progress bar}} in mainspace have had this issue. I distinctly remember it happening for last April's POTM.

The behaviour only changes depending on whether the index has been given as an argument to an {{index progress bar}} in mainspace.

That work you checked a week ago surely at the exact time didn't have a {{index progress bar}} in mainspace. — Alien  3
3 3 13:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

(Comment: a consequence of this is that for indexes that still appear broken, ProofreadPage when loading the mainspace page and the Page:s fails to find the index.) — Alien  3
3 3 14:35, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Abusefiltering out neolife spam?

@Jan.Kamenicek and @EncycloPetey, as active filter editors: Do you think it would be possible to create an edit filter for pages like Adeleke Bright? There have been in the last few weeks about a dozen of creations of such pages (e.g. could cite Abdulsalam Abass Adeyinka). All of these share being written as some kind of biography, with a "career" or "profession" header, and, and this is what makes me think it's not just isolated incidents (besides the number and similarity), they all talk at length of some business thing called Neolife, in the exact same terms.

I was thinking that maybe we could abusefilter it out: something like (user has no edits) and (is a user account less than 1 day old) and (proposed text contains "Neolife") and (proposed text contains "digital marketing") should work, IIRC is doable through the abuse filter, and should have zero false positives (even if there were legitimate creations containing the word "neolife", there probably aren't two neolife's in digital marketing, and the page wouldn't necessarily contain these two words).

What do you think of the idea? — Alien  3
3 3 17:12, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

I've tried something, we'll see. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 22:26, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

It's not just in recent weeks. We've had a steady stream of these for months now. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:51, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Filter

Tried to make a basic user page but a filter did not like it. How would I create this page? -MoonOwO- (talk) 20:21, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

It was a global filter that prevented it, so it is difficult to say what exactly it did not like, and local admins also cannot influence it. My guess is that the filter considered the contribution to be spam either because of the external link added by a new user or because of the motorcycle brand mentioned. I suggest to create the page without these, and if you want to have the link to the Wikipedia article there, add it only after you have a few dozens contributions here. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 22:02, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

-MoonOwO-, the filter is set to warn (not disallow), so submitting the edit twice consecutively should work. (No comment on the merits of the userpage, as I don't have permission to see private filter log entries.) ⟲ Three Sixty! (talk, edits) 03:02, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Report concerning Woodenstreet10

• Woodenstreet10 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log · SUL)

Spam XReport --MathXplore (talk) 11:50, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

Indeffed by Jan.

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